do yall kno which one have more potential? i hear b16 can be faster den b18...one example ctr cams better den itr cams...wat do yall think?

 

Too many factors and different motors for us to give you a definite answer. All of the B series motors (save the bastard step-child Prelude slammer) are capable and dependable power plants. You should search in the Motor Swap thread. Plenty of info there.

 

Both can be better then the other.

 

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such a general question.

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b18c5

 

Bottom line: B18 has more displacement. It has more potential.

 

the popular saying says "theres no replacement for cubic displacment"


but I believe it all depends on how much money you got.

 

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My guess would be that a 1.8L engine has more potential than a 1.6L engine. Also, CTR cams being better than ITR cams is new info to me. Is that true?

 

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My guess would be that a 1.8L engine has more potential than a 1.6L engine. Also, CTR cams being better than ITR cams is new info to me. Is that true? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I've always read that if a stock CTR and ITR dragged that the ITR would come out on top. So, reading that CTR has better cams is news to me too.

 

No replacement for displacement, anything you can do to a small engine you can do to a big one.. The bigger one will always make more power and have a flatter torque curve..

 

too many factors to consider bro. either or can have more potential then the other depending on how much you're willing to put in on it. equilavent mod setup the b18 will be on top.

 

In the end, the B18. The extra cash for a b18c1 over a B16b or a2 is made up in the extra lowend torque and the fact that the b16 needs mods to match the b18 that will make the price equal. Even with a B18a/b, a bit extra work/parts to match the b16 price results in a motor that should be just as fast, but more fun to drive at low rpm's.

Same cams can be used, same everything besides rods, really, between the two, so going with aftermarket items will yeild better results on a bigger motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In the end, the B18. The extra cash for a b18c1 over a B16b or a2 is made up in the extra lowend torque and the fact that the b16 needs mods to match the b18 that will make the price equal. Even with a B18a/b, a bit extra work/parts to match the b16 price results in a motor that should be just as fast, but more fun to drive at low rpm's.

Same cams can be used, same everything besides rods, really, between the two, so going with aftermarket items will yeild better results on a bigger motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>


well said..

 

b18 more displacement, better torque

 

SO I guess I am just nuts for enoying the hell out of my B16B FAR FAR more than my B18B huh?

 

K-series is the way to go for 2005

 

if u have the money for k series that is

 

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I've always read that if a stock CTR and ITR dragged that the ITR would come out on top. So, reading that CTR has better cams is news to me too.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've heard that CTR cams are more aggressive on the intake side compared to the ITR cams and that the exhaust side is identical. And then I heard that the newer ITR cams (I think 00-01?) were almost identical on both sides as CTR cams.

 

So is it safe to say bigger the faster? Most people disagree about the sizes but wat it can do...

 

B16a with B18c head...higher compression...

 

I understand stock itr can take ctr but I'm wonderin like if aftermarket and same set is it still gonna be itr at tha top? I hear two people one itr other ctr they buy some aftermarket same setup(of course not exactly 100% same) the ctr can win...is that bs or possible?

 

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And then I heard that the newer ITR cams (I think 00-01?) were almost identical on both sides as CTR cams.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Identical in 00-01. this is correct i believe.

and as far as which has more potential, which B18 are you talking about? not all B18 heads are the same. but anyway, although i've never taken either motor to its "full potential" (because that could mean tens of thousands of dollars), i would imagine that the motors aren't so different enough that one would have incredibly significant potential over the other.

"potential" is kind of a loose term by the way. we all assume you mean power output...but could you mean potential as far as fuel economy or emissions friendliness, or reliability...or?

 

The wording is key. Mathematically, more displacement will always have more potential for power.

 

It's hard to answer the question in a concise way. The more displacement of the B18 will get you more potential for power. But anybody in this forum will agree that you can save money by swapping in a B16 (or D16) and have more money left over for other power mods -- and will also agree that your overall speed isn't dependant on just the motor.

The way I think of it is: It's 10% car, 90% driver. A 400hp built B18 could get stomped by a stock D15 if the driver of the B18 doesn't know how to shift.

To best answer your question. A carefully built B18 has more potential for power over an equally built B16.