Since I never got a reply in the Hybrid section, maybe you guys can help me out...

Ok, I have a completely stock civic hatchback DX (91).
I have just recently gotten the desire to start upgrading it and learning more about it, so you will have to excuse my n00b *** (still trying to figure out all the terminoligy (sp) involved here...heh).

Basically, since I have stock, I am wanting to increase the speed/hp/ect.

I have been researching for the past week what seems like non-stop (ever since the itch to do this took hold of me...and goddamn this is a strong itch), I have figured the best way to start out is with the engine swap.

Now, I am thinking I'll want to get a B16A1 put in there. I have found part lists, and different things that I'll need to do this, but I'm wondering if anyone here has done this on a DX before, or seen it done/know something about it. I am also going to be using this as my normal driving car, so I'll want to keep the AC also (I have read that I need another bracket/mount if I want to keep this). I have a couple questions about this. What is the round-about price I am looking at for just parts? What about labor?

I dont have the tools nor the time (or know-how...yet) to do this. I went to a local engine shop (engine rebuilds/replaceing, ect), and he said that he knows a little bit about it, and it is something that he would be interested in, and so he wants me to bring some info about it. I have found some, info, but I am always looking for more, but any links or info you guys might have would be a great benifit to me. He also said the mechanical side is no problem, and the hardest part would probably be the wiring (which, with all the diagrams I have found on the web, and a few people I know, I will probably be able to do this if he doesn't want to.)

What were you guys charged for labor for this swap, or similar swaps? What is a good price range to look for? Any helpful hints that you have on this?

All the help you can give would be GREATLY appreciated.

 

this question requires a huge, multipart answer. but basically the hardest part imo would be going from the 2 injectors you have now to the 4 required for the b16. luckily hasport makes a harness that does all this work for you, but the cost is pretty steep.

 

Go to this site, They have a lot of info that could be useful to you. http://hybrid.honda-perf.org/


Yager-

 

I have a STD hatch (the model below yours) and am in the process of getting the stuff to do it.

I did the MPFI conversion already (changing to 4 injector set-up from the Si model), which is where most of the wiring is. Other than that, you only have to add 4 wires, and if you get the computer chipped, you only have to one or two .....

Check out the hybrid board that was just given for wiring info, and http://www.hasport.com also has some good stuff to read up on.

DON'T waste your money and buy a pre-made harness. WAY too much money for wires that you can go to Radio Shack and buy for $10.

Post any specific questions that you might have, they will be answered.

 

yeh rick u tell em

 

It was supposed to make it into the last issue of Sport Compact Car so hopefully in this issue there will be an article on how Hasport makes the DX to Si/ZC (dual point to port injection) wiring harnesses. In the article should also be a wiring diagram of the Si to SiR additions. Keep your eyes peeled for the article hopefully this month it will be out and more people will have sucessful swaps and spend less money doing them.

Although we sell a ton of harnesses, it is labor intensive and the return is only O.K. I would much rather just sell mounts, but we offer harnesses because that is the most difficult part of the swap. Our harness turns the often 4 to 6 hour wiring ordeal into a 20 - 30 minute job. Our philosphy has always been, the more people that have a sucessful swap, the more people will choose the option of doing a swap.

brian g

 

SWEET!!

One of the HASport guys paruses the board!! That rocks! Welcome!

 

Im just finishing the swap into my standard, and really it wasnt as hard as i thought it would be. I mean, literally everything just bolts up, but the hard part is determining what bolts where and what other part from a different car you need to use. For example, you have a DX, which is close to the std, and you have to change out the hubs and knuckles for ones from a civic/crx si. The worst part is troubleshooting after the swap, but luckily this board is full of helpful people that actually know what they are talking about, so that helps ALOT. Also, definitely use all the resources available, such as HAsport and HCP. These guys are really helpful and will help you out any way they can.

-Todd

 

I did not know that!!!

I'm glad you said that! I would have been up sh-t's creek if I had started my swap in a few months!!

 

thats right, thats why people choose the si platform over the DX for swaps

 

That is not entirely true. except for the 4 speed Civics (which includes the Standard model and 88-89 Canadian DX hatches) and the CRX HF you do not need to change hubs. DX and LX hubs are the same as Si hubs.

brian g

 

heh, i just LOVE it that u guys are about 15 min away. makes this stuff SO much easier.

 

Well, that's me .....

So ......... anyone have a set of Si hubs they want to sell me cheap????

 

hey rick i may have some but do u know if dx auto hubs are teh same?

 

I went with the ZC swap in my DX, Keeping the stock 5-speed and axels, modified my harness and getting ready to put it in over the next few days. THe ZC isn't the rev happy beat the B16 is but my driving is more suited to a lower reving motor. I have driven an '89 DX HB with a B16 cold air intake DC headers and exhaust, and the lower geared of the B series tranies. With a short shifter,. You WILL need a tach on one of these, It will rev to over 9,000 in all the gears as fast as you can shift. Damn, I get my adrenaline all pumped up just remembering that drive. Mine woun't be that fast but is is going to be a daily driver. Not as docile as stock but something inbtween.

 

Well, according to Brian G, from HASport, the DX ones are the same as the Si (as long as they are US spec). Sounds like I need the hub and knuckles .... if you know of any, or of anybody that has them, hook me up!

The swap is so close I can taste it!! Hopefully I'll have it in the car by the summer time!!

 

"The swap is so close I can taste it!! Hopefully I'll have it in the car by the summer time!!"

muhahahaha, we will all hopefully have our swaps done by summer so we can all pimp at the 2nd MARIOFEST come summertime.

 

Much thanks, you guys have been a big help....
and I definitely will post any specific questions I have...so here they come...

I am in the process of printing up the HASport walk through on swapping out motors, and I am going to take it to the guy at a local engine shop here in tyler. Like I said, he has never done this before (like I have....), but he said he is definitely willing to give it a go, and says installing the motor shouldn't be hard, except for wiring...(which, if he can't figure out, I know I'll be able too, w/ everything I find on the web, and I am keeping an eye out for that article...)

Does he sound competent? or should I make the trip to dallas (about a 2hr drive) and find someone a little more in the know? My gut feeling is to make sure that the local engine shop has a guarantee/warranty, and give it a go here (also makes transportation alot easier..I'll be driving a POS truck while the car is in the shop, and I would hate to try and negotiate dallas traffic w/ it), and if he screws it up, than I will just keep taking it back (free of charge, of course ) till he gets it fixed right. They charge 57 dollars an hr, how long would you think this will take, and what should I expect to pay for labor?

I have most everything else figured out (sort of??!!), except for one thing...the axles...

The HASPort website says that I can use the axles off of an 86-89 Integra w/ the 90-93 Integra inner CV joints...what should I expect to pay for those, and where can I find them?

Also, I know my clutch is going to poo poo ATM, so I will need a new clutch, and hasport says the 90 Integra Clutch parts will work if I am going to do that.... Would you guys recommend going w/ that, or just purchasing "performance" clutch parts instead, since I'll be replacing it?

Ok..lots of questions, thanks for your previous answer, you guys "rawk!"

 

except me ill still have the b18 waiting for its turbo and teh d15 will be beating ur b16 with its top secret project that is about to ubderway

 

I know the secret ...... hehehehe ...... I think?

For the axles, just get a '99-'00 Si, "94-'01 GS-R, or '07-'01 Type R intermediate shaft, and then you can run axles from any of those models/years on it (after pulling out the spacer per HASport), at least that is what their site says.

I bought a '00 Si intermediate shaft, and am on the prowl for the axles right now, have three guys I'm talking to to get them.

 

teh 90-93 teg axles will work with intermediate shafts
as for top secret only rioninja knows wut it could be

 

How much was the intermediate shaft, where can I find one, and as far as the axles, what is a decent price to pay for those?

psst......if you find some axles...lemme know where you get 'em, and if there is more than one set on sale....

 

Well, I got the intermediate shaft by just posting a WTB in the 4 sale forums ...

I have an e-mail question into Brian G. since he wrote the axle thing on the HASport site to verify that you can use all the newer axles, because on the site, he says '94 GS-R axles ..... I'm trying to find out if the '95+ GS-R, Type R, and Si axles are the same.

I also have a couple guys in the works to get the axles ... for around $150 a pair.

 

The Type R and GSR and 99-00 Si are the same (or interchangeable). The Japanese 92 up Civic and CRX (DelSol) B16A are also the same.

brian g

 

Thanks dude!

I got that answer from some other guys, and I have a set pf Si axles on the way ......