05' 1000RR overpriced?
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05' 1000RR overpriced?
I want to hear some opinion's on the 05' CBR1000RR. I sold my 99 900RR a little over a month ago and I'm dieing to get another bike. I've been riding my friends 02 750 in the mean time but its not the same. i keep hearing that Honda is winning racing left and right on this bike but its hard to tell in a race because some riders are better then other. the only flat out numbers I've been able to see are the weight, HP/TQ, quarter mile, 0-60 and price... putting price aside, all the reviews I've seen all scream out that the CBR is falling behind when it comes to Yamaha and Suzuki. now i know that for the average rider like myself, i wont be able to tell the difference between the bikes but in the end why would i pay more for something that is 2 tenths slower? or is it? what am i missing here? Ive been told to buy a bike that "I Think" looks nice and is comfortable for me. but i cant make up my mind, i like the R1 and the RR.
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Niether of which is winning the 05 litre bike of the year. The new gixx 1000 looks like it might take the cake in EVERY category, where the 10r is just a brutally fast really light bike right there with the gixxer.
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Re: 05' 1000RR overpriced? (hks85)
HKS - Just remember, your 99 900 is like a NEW Kawi 636 when it comes to power. The new R1/1kRR/GSXR1k have the power of an Integra Type R, at 1/8th the weight.
If you want to enjoy your bike, I would also suggest buying something that is #1 comfortable, and #2 affordable.
Then it comes down to looks.
When I started getting the itch for a new bike, I called my INS company. A 05 busa will cost me $50 more a year over my 954, but a R1 is $200 a year more.
That's a BIG difference when you only pay $500 a year for full coverage. I can only imagine how much some of these new riders are paying a year for INS.
At any rate, good luck in your hunt, and remember, it's your money and your decision.
If you want to enjoy your bike, I would also suggest buying something that is #1 comfortable, and #2 affordable.
Then it comes down to looks.
When I started getting the itch for a new bike, I called my INS company. A 05 busa will cost me $50 more a year over my 954, but a R1 is $200 a year more.
That's a BIG difference when you only pay $500 a year for full coverage. I can only imagine how much some of these new riders are paying a year for INS.
At any rate, good luck in your hunt, and remember, it's your money and your decision.
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Re: 05' 1000RR overpriced? (Ross R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">F yeah it's overpriced.
It's weird to say it, but the worst litrebike out there is made by Honda.
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Worst? I'd say it is the slowest but when you're talking about a group of 4 bikes that all can pull 9 second quarter miles and are less than 1 second apart in track tests worst is not saying much. And for what its worth all of the magazines say the 1000RR has the best ridability and power delivery of the literbikes, a quality that could mean a lot to a street rider.
As far as overpriced, technically it costs more than the other bikes but I wouldn't say its overpriced. Overpriced would mean its totally not worth it for what you get. You're talking about around a $500 difference in price from the other literbikes. That to me is not wildy overpriced. Now, if the 1000RR costed in Ducati 999 territory then I'd say its overpriced.
Should you buy the 1000RR? Up to personal preference. The cost is in the same territory and the performance is close enough to the other literbikes that the real-world difference is not going to mean much to you (unless you plan to race). If you'd like to have the most raw, badass bike on the road then get the Gixxer or Ninja. If you'd like a little bit friendlier of a bike, get the 1000RR.
As far as racing goes, this is the year of the Gixxer. All aboard the Suzuki freight train
It's weird to say it, but the worst litrebike out there is made by Honda.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Worst? I'd say it is the slowest but when you're talking about a group of 4 bikes that all can pull 9 second quarter miles and are less than 1 second apart in track tests worst is not saying much. And for what its worth all of the magazines say the 1000RR has the best ridability and power delivery of the literbikes, a quality that could mean a lot to a street rider.
As far as overpriced, technically it costs more than the other bikes but I wouldn't say its overpriced. Overpriced would mean its totally not worth it for what you get. You're talking about around a $500 difference in price from the other literbikes. That to me is not wildy overpriced. Now, if the 1000RR costed in Ducati 999 territory then I'd say its overpriced.
Should you buy the 1000RR? Up to personal preference. The cost is in the same territory and the performance is close enough to the other literbikes that the real-world difference is not going to mean much to you (unless you plan to race). If you'd like to have the most raw, badass bike on the road then get the Gixxer or Ninja. If you'd like a little bit friendlier of a bike, get the 1000RR.
As far as racing goes, this is the year of the Gixxer. All aboard the Suzuki freight train
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Re: 05' 1000RR overpriced? (Snaps)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Snaps »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it true they're having a hard time selling the RR's cause of the price?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The only thing keeping them from gathering dust on the showroom floor is the fancy REPSOL paint.
The only thing keeping them from gathering dust on the showroom floor is the fancy REPSOL paint.
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Re: 05' 1000RR overpriced? (Ross R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The only thing keeping them from gathering dust on the showroom floor is the fancy REPSOL paint.</TD></TR></TABLE>
unless its really stickers
The only thing keeping them from gathering dust on the showroom floor is the fancy REPSOL paint.</TD></TR></TABLE>
unless its really stickers
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SiR HatchAlot »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its only 2/10ths.. not 2 seconds. do you really need those 2/10ths???
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I don't think any of us here need that extra 2/10ths, but when you total it all up, the CBR does look a bit lacking compared to the rest, especially when you consider the price.
Every mag has given the CBRs basically middling reviews (until the redesign of the 600RR this yr), and I really think that's killing the bike. People don't buy sportbikes because they're comfy and safe. They buy them because they're bad-***.
Put the CBR up against the brute strength of the Ninja, the scalpel that is the R1, and new technological marvel that is the '05 Gixxer, and it's hard to see why one would buy it. I really love Hondas, but at this point they're really not offering much. On paper at least.
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I don't think any of us here need that extra 2/10ths, but when you total it all up, the CBR does look a bit lacking compared to the rest, especially when you consider the price.
Every mag has given the CBRs basically middling reviews (until the redesign of the 600RR this yr), and I really think that's killing the bike. People don't buy sportbikes because they're comfy and safe. They buy them because they're bad-***.
Put the CBR up against the brute strength of the Ninja, the scalpel that is the R1, and new technological marvel that is the '05 Gixxer, and it's hard to see why one would buy it. I really love Hondas, but at this point they're really not offering much. On paper at least.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think any of us here need that extra 2/10ths, but when you total it all up, the CBR does look a bit lacking compared to the rest, especially when you consider the price.
Every mag has given the CBRs basically middling reviews (until the redesign of the 600RR this yr), and I really think that's killing the bike. People don't buy sportbikes because they're comfy and safe. They buy them because they're bad-***.
Put the CBR up against the brute strength of the Ninja, the scalpel that is the R1, and new technological marvel that is the '05 Gixxer, and it's hard to see why one would buy it. I really love Hondas, but at this point they're really not offering much. On paper at least.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea.. why would you spend your hard earned money on the CBR if there's an R1, ZX10-R, or the Gixxer1000 around? My guess would be..
1. Loyal Honda fan
2. Love the looks
3. umm.. I think that's about it.
Every mag has given the CBRs basically middling reviews (until the redesign of the 600RR this yr), and I really think that's killing the bike. People don't buy sportbikes because they're comfy and safe. They buy them because they're bad-***.
Put the CBR up against the brute strength of the Ninja, the scalpel that is the R1, and new technological marvel that is the '05 Gixxer, and it's hard to see why one would buy it. I really love Hondas, but at this point they're really not offering much. On paper at least.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea.. why would you spend your hard earned money on the CBR if there's an R1, ZX10-R, or the Gixxer1000 around? My guess would be..
1. Loyal Honda fan
2. Love the looks
3. umm.. I think that's about it.
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I think Honda has/will lose a lot of fans with their increased prices without class winning change. They lost me on their shitty warranty department and practices..."Let's just sit on his bike and b.s. him long enough that the warranty runs out..." *******.
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All you guys arguing over 10ths of a second ... funny.
Not like any of us here could lap Fontana in the 1.24s but we're all arguing over 10ths... nonsense.
Every japanese liter bike out today is head and shoulders more competent than 99.9% of the street riders on the road but we're arguing over the 10ths ... I guess the marketing hype and bullshit gets to everyone.
If you're going to base your purchase on #s and magaizine comparisons, you're never going to be happy ... get what YOU LIKE. Period.
Look at me, I ride Ducatis, which from a magazine shootout, super-duper comparo standpoint makes no sense but it's what I like, enjoy and want to ride and that's all that matters, to me, because I'm paying for it.
Anyone that needs to benchrace to back up their purchase is a poseur...
Not like any of us here could lap Fontana in the 1.24s but we're all arguing over 10ths... nonsense.
Every japanese liter bike out today is head and shoulders more competent than 99.9% of the street riders on the road but we're arguing over the 10ths ... I guess the marketing hype and bullshit gets to everyone.
If you're going to base your purchase on #s and magaizine comparisons, you're never going to be happy ... get what YOU LIKE. Period.
Look at me, I ride Ducatis, which from a magazine shootout, super-duper comparo standpoint makes no sense but it's what I like, enjoy and want to ride and that's all that matters, to me, because I'm paying for it.
Anyone that needs to benchrace to back up their purchase is a poseur...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ScareyH22A »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea.. why would you spend your hard earned money on the CBR if there's an R1, ZX10-R, or the Gixxer1000 around? My guess would be..
1. Loyal Honda fan
2. Love the looks
3. umm.. I think that's about it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am a Honda man in general. My brother had a V45 Sabre, and two VFRs. I have never owned a car not made by Honda. I thought bikes would be the same, but when I looked at price tags I quickly abandoned that plan.
$7K+ for a 599, when you can buy an SV650 for $5900? No contest.
$8799 for a 600RR when the R6 and Gixxer cost $8299-8399? Ditto.
Even if price was no object, I still wouldn't buy the 1000RR. It's a great bike by itself, but just doesn't stack up to what the others offer.
However, the F4i blows the doors off any of the less extreme 600s offered by anyone else. YZF, Katana, and ZZR all bow to the F4i.
Honda needs to address this, both with their cars and bikes. Not having things like the ITR and S2K is killing them; so is the comparitively disappointing performance of their bikes. We all know they can build some of the fastest hardware around, so why don't they?
1. Loyal Honda fan
2. Love the looks
3. umm.. I think that's about it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am a Honda man in general. My brother had a V45 Sabre, and two VFRs. I have never owned a car not made by Honda. I thought bikes would be the same, but when I looked at price tags I quickly abandoned that plan.
$7K+ for a 599, when you can buy an SV650 for $5900? No contest.
$8799 for a 600RR when the R6 and Gixxer cost $8299-8399? Ditto.
Even if price was no object, I still wouldn't buy the 1000RR. It's a great bike by itself, but just doesn't stack up to what the others offer.
However, the F4i blows the doors off any of the less extreme 600s offered by anyone else. YZF, Katana, and ZZR all bow to the F4i.
Honda needs to address this, both with their cars and bikes. Not having things like the ITR and S2K is killing them; so is the comparitively disappointing performance of their bikes. We all know they can build some of the fastest hardware around, so why don't they?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bb6h22a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All you guys arguing over 10ths of a second ... funny. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Hubert, I think you're missing the point here.
It's not just the bench-racing thing that's causing us to bag on Honda. It's the fact that the CBR really offers no compelling advantage over the other bikes.
It's certainly the widest, which affects those of us with shorter legs. Just from a comfort standpoint, I'll take a new Gix1000 or R1. That ******* CBR tank is huge, and really turned me off to the CBR600RR when I was comparing it with its competitors.
Hubert, I think you're missing the point here.
It's not just the bench-racing thing that's causing us to bag on Honda. It's the fact that the CBR really offers no compelling advantage over the other bikes.
It's certainly the widest, which affects those of us with shorter legs. Just from a comfort standpoint, I'll take a new Gix1000 or R1. That ******* CBR tank is huge, and really turned me off to the CBR600RR when I was comparing it with its competitors.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hubert, I think you're missing the point here.
It's not just the bench-racing thing that's causing us to bag on Honda. It's the fact that the CBR really offers no compelling advantage over the other bikes.
It's certainly the widest, which affects those of us with shorter legs. Just from a comfort standpoint, I'll take a new Gix1000 or R1. That ******* CBR tank is huge, and really turned me off to the CBR600RR when I was comparing it with its competitors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's not just the bench-racing thing that's causing us to bag on Honda. It's the fact that the CBR really offers no compelling advantage over the other bikes.
It's certainly the widest, which affects those of us with shorter legs. Just from a comfort standpoint, I'll take a new Gix1000 or R1. That ******* CBR tank is huge, and really turned me off to the CBR600RR when I was comparing it with its competitors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (Ross R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hubert, I think you're missing the point here.
It's not just the bench-racing thing that's causing us to bag on Honda. It's the fact that the CBR really offers no compelling advantage over the other bikes.
It's certainly the widest, which affects those of us with shorter legs. Just from a comfort standpoint, I'll take a new Gix1000 or R1. That ******* CBR tank is huge, and really turned me off to the CBR600RR when I was comparing it with its competitors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ross,
The previous comments, until this one, made no mention of the bike's ergos, it's physicality or anything else related to feel; just a lol of talk abou the paper specs.
I'm in your boat, pick four bikes and the one that feels best under my ***, is the one I'll go quickest on but I felt like some of the commentary that solely focused on the bike's paper specs was not only misguided but irrelavent - to the individual at least.
My point, is that at the moment, the liter bike category is without question, stupid good and all this bench racing is splitting hairs on an angel's head that's sitting on a pin ... you follow?
Frankly, I don't like the Repsol bike, nor do I really like the 1000RR BUT that's not to say it's incompetent, nor should my opinion, or the latest mag's shoot out opinions, deter someone who likes it and wants it from getting it. That's all.
Which Japanese liter bike trips my trigger? The R1 w/out question but I couldn't tell you a single specification if I had to.
The only thing keeping me from an R1 is the feel; after Ducs every Japanese bike feels "big" which sounds absurd but sit on a 998 then sit on an R1 and you'll know what I mean...
Maybe I need to sit on the R1 for a while longer ... ?
It's not just the bench-racing thing that's causing us to bag on Honda. It's the fact that the CBR really offers no compelling advantage over the other bikes.
It's certainly the widest, which affects those of us with shorter legs. Just from a comfort standpoint, I'll take a new Gix1000 or R1. That ******* CBR tank is huge, and really turned me off to the CBR600RR when I was comparing it with its competitors.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ross,
The previous comments, until this one, made no mention of the bike's ergos, it's physicality or anything else related to feel; just a lol of talk abou the paper specs.
I'm in your boat, pick four bikes and the one that feels best under my ***, is the one I'll go quickest on but I felt like some of the commentary that solely focused on the bike's paper specs was not only misguided but irrelavent - to the individual at least.
My point, is that at the moment, the liter bike category is without question, stupid good and all this bench racing is splitting hairs on an angel's head that's sitting on a pin ... you follow?
Frankly, I don't like the Repsol bike, nor do I really like the 1000RR BUT that's not to say it's incompetent, nor should my opinion, or the latest mag's shoot out opinions, deter someone who likes it and wants it from getting it. That's all.
Which Japanese liter bike trips my trigger? The R1 w/out question but I couldn't tell you a single specification if I had to.
The only thing keeping me from an R1 is the feel; after Ducs every Japanese bike feels "big" which sounds absurd but sit on a 998 then sit on an R1 and you'll know what I mean...
Maybe I need to sit on the R1 for a while longer ... ?
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The only thing keeping me from an R1 is the feel; after Ducs every Japanese bike feels "big" which sounds absurd but sit on a 998 then sit on an R1 and you'll know what I mean...
Maybe I need to sit on the R1 for a while longer ... ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe you need to go sit on a new '05 Suzuki GSX-R1000.
The only thing keeping me from an R1 is the feel; after Ducs every Japanese bike feels "big" which sounds absurd but sit on a 998 then sit on an R1 and you'll know what I mean...
Maybe I need to sit on the R1 for a while longer ... ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe you need to go sit on a new '05 Suzuki GSX-R1000.
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Maybe I need to sit on the R1 for a while longer ... ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Probably. I know the Ducs disappear under you at speed, but I sat on the newest 999 and I felt really stretched out over the tank. Could have used an extra six inches on my forearms.
The R1 feels really tiny. Like, not much bigger than my R6. The newer Gixxer, as Scarey said, is even smaller and literally feels like a smaller bike than the its 750- and 600-cc brothers.
Standing still, I'll give the edge to the Japanese litres. However, I know that the Ducs supposedly feel as light as a feather once you get them going, so I'll reserve a total judgement on their ergos for the day I ride one.
I will say the cutest, lightest bike I ever sat on was a Ducati Monster Dark. Buying that one for the little lady if we move in together.
Maybe I need to sit on the R1 for a while longer ... ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Probably. I know the Ducs disappear under you at speed, but I sat on the newest 999 and I felt really stretched out over the tank. Could have used an extra six inches on my forearms.
The R1 feels really tiny. Like, not much bigger than my R6. The newer Gixxer, as Scarey said, is even smaller and literally feels like a smaller bike than the its 750- and 600-cc brothers.
Standing still, I'll give the edge to the Japanese litres. However, I know that the Ducs supposedly feel as light as a feather once you get them going, so I'll reserve a total judgement on their ergos for the day I ride one.
I will say the cutest, lightest bike I ever sat on was a Ducati Monster Dark. Buying that one for the little lady if we move in together.
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Magazines say the Honda is slower, but to 99% of us on this board, we will be faster on the Honda. I've ridden it, and that bike is rock solid. The power is perfectly linear, which means you could get on the throttle sooner coming out of a corner. It really gives the rider more confidence then any of the other liter bikes. That said, I am on a waiting list for the white/blue Gixxer 1K.
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Hmph. Unfortunately, that doesn't sell bikes...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That said, I am on a waiting list for the white/blue Gixxer 1K. </TD></TR></TABLE>
See? We don't want safe when looking at these bikes. We want something that scares the bejeezus out of us.
Hmph. Unfortunately, that doesn't sell bikes...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That said, I am on a waiting list for the white/blue Gixxer 1K. </TD></TR></TABLE>
See? We don't want safe when looking at these bikes. We want something that scares the bejeezus out of us.