Lowering Springs-car sits lower on left side
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I just installed a set of Eibach sportline springs about 3 months ago in my 96' civic ex coupe. Yes-I installed front and rear springs in proper locations. My ride is sitting lower on the left side than the right side, even when im out of the car!
It's no annoying, i wish the right side were as low as the left side. Is it the fac that most of the time I drive my car alone producing weight in the left side, and/or my civic has the engine on the left side whihc makes t eavier than the right side. Anybody had any experiences with it?
It's no annoying, i wish the right side were as low as the left side. Is it the fac that most of the time I drive my car alone producing weight in the left side, and/or my civic has the engine on the left side whihc makes t eavier than the right side. Anybody had any experiences with it?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rayz_Si »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just installed a set of Eibach sportline springs about 3 months ago in my 96' civic ex coupe. Yes-I installed front and rear springs in proper locations. My ride is sitting lower on the left side than the right side, even when im out of the car!
It's no annoying, i wish the right side were as low as the left side. Is it the fac that most of the time I drive my car alone producing weight in the left side, and/or my civic has the engine on the left side whihc makes t eavier than the right side. Anybody had any experiences with it?
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Hey. This is a common situation among 96-00 CIVIC COUPES. I had H&R sport springs before and the driverside rear was lower than the other 3 corners. Most people guessed its because of the heavy gas tank. If that makes any sense or whatever.
Now that I have coil-overs on my car. The same problem still occurs. even if I set the rear coils with the same amount of threads left. The driverside rear will be lower. To coutner this problem, I raise the perches slightly higher than the passenger side.
It's no annoying, i wish the right side were as low as the left side. Is it the fac that most of the time I drive my car alone producing weight in the left side, and/or my civic has the engine on the left side whihc makes t eavier than the right side. Anybody had any experiences with it?
</TD></TR></TABLE>Hey. This is a common situation among 96-00 CIVIC COUPES. I had H&R sport springs before and the driverside rear was lower than the other 3 corners. Most people guessed its because of the heavy gas tank. If that makes any sense or whatever.
Now that I have coil-overs on my car. The same problem still occurs. even if I set the rear coils with the same amount of threads left. The driverside rear will be lower. To coutner this problem, I raise the perches slightly higher than the passenger side.
If this problem is annoying to you. Just get some great affordable full coil-overs like Skunk2 Pro-Series. Robear Racing (
) carries them for a great price
BTW, though the driverside rear is lower, the tire thread will wear out evenly like the rest. So no worries there
) carries them for a great price
BTW, though the driverside rear is lower, the tire thread will wear out evenly like the rest. So no worries there
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP-Si »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Hey. This is a common situation among 96-00 CIVIC COUPES. I had H&R sport springs before and the driverside rear was lower than the other 3 corners. Most people guessed its because of the heavy gas tank. If that makes any sense or whatever.
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Yes, this is very common. I searched around forever to figure out what was going on, and there was tons of miss-info out there. So I switched the springs from side to side, and the left was still lower. Put the stock back on, and the left was still lower, just not as noticeable with the 4" of wheel gap. There is a weight bias on that side of the car (mostly from the position of the engine).
Hey. This is a common situation among 96-00 CIVIC COUPES. I had H&R sport springs before and the driverside rear was lower than the other 3 corners. Most people guessed its because of the heavy gas tank. If that makes any sense or whatever.
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Yes, this is very common. I searched around forever to figure out what was going on, and there was tons of miss-info out there. So I switched the springs from side to side, and the left was still lower. Put the stock back on, and the left was still lower, just not as noticeable with the 4" of wheel gap. There is a weight bias on that side of the car (mostly from the position of the engine).
again, this seems like a very normal trend. and i think theres more reason why this is than just because of the driver or engines weight imbalance.
think about it. which side are you turning more often, or harder? ive been thinking about this for a while, and i have to say i take a lot more right hand turns than left, and a lot harder. mostly because we all drive on the right hand side of the road. right hand turns are 90 sharp turns, relative to left hand turns whch you arc out more. even from a complete stop at an intersection, a right hand turn is going to be sharper and quicker than a left hand turn. also, freeway ramps are almost always right hand turns.
so i think considering that we sit on the left hand side of the car and we take right hand turns (loads driver side) more often and harder.
so, just deal with it. its not the springs. heck, even with my stock springs installed my front driver side sits lower than all the rest. its just not as noticable since the gap is bigger. you just notice it more when you close that gap by lowering the car.
think about it. which side are you turning more often, or harder? ive been thinking about this for a while, and i have to say i take a lot more right hand turns than left, and a lot harder. mostly because we all drive on the right hand side of the road. right hand turns are 90 sharp turns, relative to left hand turns whch you arc out more. even from a complete stop at an intersection, a right hand turn is going to be sharper and quicker than a left hand turn. also, freeway ramps are almost always right hand turns.
so i think considering that we sit on the left hand side of the car and we take right hand turns (loads driver side) more often and harder.
so, just deal with it. its not the springs. heck, even with my stock springs installed my front driver side sits lower than all the rest. its just not as noticable since the gap is bigger. you just notice it more when you close that gap by lowering the car.
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think about it. which side are you turning more often, or harder? ive been thinking about this for a while, and i have to say i take a lot more right hand turns than left, and a lot harder. mostly because we all drive on the right hand side of the road. right hand turns are 90 sharp turns, relative to left hand turns whch you arc out more. even from a complete stop at an intersection, a right hand turn is going to be sharper and quicker than a left hand turn. also, freeway ramps are almost always right hand turns.
so i think considering that we sit on the left hand side of the car and we take right hand turns (loads driver side) more often and harder.
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The only thing was that I noticed it as soon as I installed the new springs, and was still aparent when I switched them from left to right; and the same when I re-installed the stock springs (and I'm not sure what side they came off of when I did it).
I'd like to see some corner weighting data to see what the weight balance is. Maybe when I get my car built to the limits of my class, I'll get some of my own data; but that's probably not going to happen for a long time.
think about it. which side are you turning more often, or harder? ive been thinking about this for a while, and i have to say i take a lot more right hand turns than left, and a lot harder. mostly because we all drive on the right hand side of the road. right hand turns are 90 sharp turns, relative to left hand turns whch you arc out more. even from a complete stop at an intersection, a right hand turn is going to be sharper and quicker than a left hand turn. also, freeway ramps are almost always right hand turns.
so i think considering that we sit on the left hand side of the car and we take right hand turns (loads driver side) more often and harder.
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The only thing was that I noticed it as soon as I installed the new springs, and was still aparent when I switched them from left to right; and the same when I re-installed the stock springs (and I'm not sure what side they came off of when I did it).
I'd like to see some corner weighting data to see what the weight balance is. Maybe when I get my car built to the limits of my class, I'll get some of my own data; but that's probably not going to happen for a long time.
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WOW! I THOUGH I WAS THE ONLY CIVIC DRIVER RIDING LOWER ON THE LEFT!
DAMN! I DON'T FEEL SO DISSAPOINTED AND STUPID ANYMORE! ALL YOU GUYS EXPERIENCE IT. HONESTLY I HAVE GROWN TO ACCEPT IT FOR THESE 3 MONTHS SINCE IN'VE LOWERED, I WON'T COMPLAIN IT'S NOT BOTHERING ME THAT BAD, AND NO I WON'T GO TO COILOVERS, YET UNTIL I CRAVE A LOWER STANCE.
BUT AS FAR AS THI S LEFYT SIDE BEING LOWER, IT'S A PART OF LOWERED LIFE.
HONESTLY I THOUGHT PUTTING STRUTBARS WILL PULL THE WEIGHT EQUALLY, OR DO SOMETHING, BUT IT DIDN'T. IT DOES HANDLE LIKE A VETTE THOUGH MUST SAY. I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT SWAPPING RIGHT TO LEFT SPRINGS, GOPOD THING I DIDN'T!! THANX BRO YOU SAVED ME MADD TIME.
DAMN! I DON'T FEEL SO DISSAPOINTED AND STUPID ANYMORE! ALL YOU GUYS EXPERIENCE IT. HONESTLY I HAVE GROWN TO ACCEPT IT FOR THESE 3 MONTHS SINCE IN'VE LOWERED, I WON'T COMPLAIN IT'S NOT BOTHERING ME THAT BAD, AND NO I WON'T GO TO COILOVERS, YET UNTIL I CRAVE A LOWER STANCE.
BUT AS FAR AS THI S LEFYT SIDE BEING LOWER, IT'S A PART OF LOWERED LIFE.
HONESTLY I THOUGHT PUTTING STRUTBARS WILL PULL THE WEIGHT EQUALLY, OR DO SOMETHING, BUT IT DIDN'T. IT DOES HANDLE LIKE A VETTE THOUGH MUST SAY. I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT SWAPPING RIGHT TO LEFT SPRINGS, GOPOD THING I DIDN'T!! THANX BRO YOU SAVED ME MADD TIME.
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haha...just wait till you get stiff coilovers and a comptech 22mm swaybar setup
haha...just wait till you get stiff coilovers and a comptech 22mm swaybar setup
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rayz_Si »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IT DOES HANDLE LIKE A VETTE THOUGH MUST SAY.</TD></TR></TABLE>
so it still understeers pretty bad eh? Hopefully you can fix that
so it still understeers pretty bad eh? Hopefully you can fix that
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">think about it. which side are you turning more often, or harder?</TD></TR></TABLE>
since I drive the same way home as I drive to work I do the exact same number of left turns as I do right turns. I'd say that most right turs aer from a full stop and are done at mayeb 20mph max, with exception of 1 or 2 that are faster (if the light is green). The left turns are usually started at a stand still too, but the length of time turning and the speeds at which the turn is taken is higher. I don't fully support your theory.
My theory is that the extra weight (engine + driver) over time will wear the bushings on the left side of the car slightly more than the right side of the car. Thus giving it that Honda gangsta lean. It doesn't bug me one bit tho.
since I drive the same way home as I drive to work I do the exact same number of left turns as I do right turns. I'd say that most right turs aer from a full stop and are done at mayeb 20mph max, with exception of 1 or 2 that are faster (if the light is green). The left turns are usually started at a stand still too, but the length of time turning and the speeds at which the turn is taken is higher. I don't fully support your theory.
My theory is that the extra weight (engine + driver) over time will wear the bushings on the left side of the car slightly more than the right side of the car. Thus giving it that Honda gangsta lean. It doesn't bug me one bit tho.
Sorry to bring this thread back, but I had a few questions regarding this issue.
My 99 hatchback is lower on the front driver side by about half an inch. The rest of the corners sit at the same height as each other half an inch higher than the front driver side.
I found out with my ground control coilovers is that if I have both the front driver side and rear passenger side at the 20th ring on the coilover sleeve and have both the front passenger side and rear driver side at the 10th ring the car would sit perfectly even like how I want it.
Now the problem with this is that I would assume that the front driver side and rear passenger side springs would be more compressed and taking a heavier load since they are raised up higher than the other two corners. I checked the amount of shock travel left and the front amounts were identical to each other as well as the rears.
My question is that since the gc springs are linear, would it matter if two of them were much more compressed than the other two? Also, would this method of fixing the uneven height throw my alignment way out of wack?
I would really like my car to sit even, but if this method of doing so bad for the suspension then I will probably just keep my car sitting uneven as it was.
My 99 hatchback is lower on the front driver side by about half an inch. The rest of the corners sit at the same height as each other half an inch higher than the front driver side.
I found out with my ground control coilovers is that if I have both the front driver side and rear passenger side at the 20th ring on the coilover sleeve and have both the front passenger side and rear driver side at the 10th ring the car would sit perfectly even like how I want it.
Now the problem with this is that I would assume that the front driver side and rear passenger side springs would be more compressed and taking a heavier load since they are raised up higher than the other two corners. I checked the amount of shock travel left and the front amounts were identical to each other as well as the rears.
My question is that since the gc springs are linear, would it matter if two of them were much more compressed than the other two? Also, would this method of fixing the uneven height throw my alignment way out of wack?
I would really like my car to sit even, but if this method of doing so bad for the suspension then I will probably just keep my car sitting uneven as it was.
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My question is that since the gc springs are linear, would it matter if two of them were much more compressed than the other two? Also, would this method of fixing the uneven height throw my alignment way out of wack?
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its not really going to make a difference. it just changes the preload a bit, but the total compressed length at rest of the spring is going to be the same. and preload really doesnt mean much anyway, you may not even have any preload.
as for alignment, it doesnt make it any different. just have your car aligned anyway. every time you change the height of the car, the alignment changes since toe is height sensitive.
My question is that since the gc springs are linear, would it matter if two of them were much more compressed than the other two? Also, would this method of fixing the uneven height throw my alignment way out of wack?
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its not really going to make a difference. it just changes the preload a bit, but the total compressed length at rest of the spring is going to be the same. and preload really doesnt mean much anyway, you may not even have any preload.
as for alignment, it doesnt make it any different. just have your car aligned anyway. every time you change the height of the car, the alignment changes since toe is height sensitive.
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its not really going to make a difference. it just changes the preload a bit, but the total compressed length at rest of the spring is going to be the same. and preload really doesnt mean much anyway, you may not even have any preload.
as for alignment, it doesnt make it any different. just have your car aligned anyway. every time you change the height of the car, the alignment changes since toe is height sensitive.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok so to sum it up, if I have both my front driver side and rear passenger side at the 20th ring on my coilovers and have both my front passenger side and rear driver side at the 10th ring it won't be a problem?
its not really going to make a difference. it just changes the preload a bit, but the total compressed length at rest of the spring is going to be the same. and preload really doesnt mean much anyway, you may not even have any preload.
as for alignment, it doesnt make it any different. just have your car aligned anyway. every time you change the height of the car, the alignment changes since toe is height sensitive.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok so to sum it up, if I have both my front driver side and rear passenger side at the 20th ring on my coilovers and have both my front passenger side and rear driver side at the 10th ring it won't be a problem?
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Well it balances out the ride height so that's what I want. I was just wondering if it was a problem if I had my coilovers set that way. Thanks for the input
Well it balances out the ride height so that's what I want. I was just wondering if it was a problem if I had my coilovers set that way. Thanks for the input
when you jack up the car and the wheel is off the ground, are your springs free and uncompressed?
or are they still a bit compressed.
or are they still a bit compressed.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when you jack up the car and the wheel is off the ground, are your springs free and uncompressed?
or are they still a bit compressed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The two corners which are on the 20th ring are very slightly compressed. The other two which are on the 10th ring are uncompressed.
or are they still a bit compressed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The two corners which are on the 20th ring are very slightly compressed. The other two which are on the 10th ring are uncompressed.
yeah just checking. the difference is the ones that are slightly compressed are slightly preloaded. but its no big deal at all. preload doesnt change much. the ones that are free have no preload, and you could move the perch up and down and it wont affect anything other than shock travel.
so simple answer remains. dont worry.
so simple answer remains. dont worry.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah just checking. the difference is the ones that are slightly compressed are slightly preloaded. but its no big deal at all. preload doesnt change much. the ones that are free have no preload, and you could move the perch up and down and it wont affect anything other than shock travel.
so simple answer remains. dont worry.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are a lifesaver. Saved me from the frustration and almost giving up on the car. Thank you
so simple answer remains. dont worry.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are a lifesaver. Saved me from the frustration and almost giving up on the car. Thank you
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