EK Coupe Verses EK Hatch for autocross
alright, heres the deal.. i already own a ek coupe...and i have a gsr swap for it..but not sure if i should sell it and get a ek hatch...is it truley worth it...please somebody let me know..
Thanks
Thanks
If the wheel base dimensions are the same, then the cars, given similar weight and weight distribution, should be pretty much identical. Now, throw the "I really wish I had a _____ model", then it is all preference.
The suspension should be equal. The coupe of course comes in an EX trim with a better motor and transmission. I can't find it now, but I've seen a chart that shows the DX coupe actually has slightly shorter gearing than the DX hatch... go figure.
The only other difference I've noticed is that the 96 CX hatch is a ~200lb lighter car than the rest of the 96-00 civics.
The only other difference I've noticed is that the 96 CX hatch is a ~200lb lighter car than the rest of the 96-00 civics.
im not worried if the cars arent top runners, with me driving ill make it a top runner..should i sell my 97 civic ex(gsr swaped) and get a ek hatch..or shoould i keep it and just become the best with that..
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the crx is a show car,,it has 99 civic front end and a 01 integra rear..and shaved everything...not to good for autox...how is the crx for autox compared to any ek??
also, if i had the hook up on a mr2..are they weird for autox or amazing b/c of the whole mid engine...this is a dream car of mine and if that would work than i would love to one of those...just somebody let me know..always have followed up on drag but inside rather do a autox..im slightly clueless about the goods and bads of the sport...
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hopefully i can do something about that.
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hopefully i can do something about that.
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Alot better.
Alot better.
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I autocross a '91 MR2 and I love it. Sometimes it gives me hassles but other days (like today) almost no one can touch me. So neutral, great low-end torque, cheap little 14" tires, it is awesome.
However, the important thing to consider is that autocross is about a driver, not a car. You could have the fastest car in the world and throw thousands of dollars in mods behind it, but if you don't learn the proper techniques you'll just end up frustrated.
My suggestion to you is take something reliable that you already own and run it as often as you can, and then you'll get a better idea of what to do. Good luck.
I autocross a '91 MR2 and I love it. Sometimes it gives me hassles but other days (like today) almost no one can touch me. So neutral, great low-end torque, cheap little 14" tires, it is awesome.
However, the important thing to consider is that autocross is about a driver, not a car. You could have the fastest car in the world and throw thousands of dollars in mods behind it, but if you don't learn the proper techniques you'll just end up frustrated.
My suggestion to you is take something reliable that you already own and run it as often as you can, and then you'll get a better idea of what to do. Good luck.
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Wow, that's a pretty bold statement...
What kind of racing you do?
Wow, that's a pretty bold statement...
What kind of racing you do?
My car: 96 Civic DX hatchback
Removed sparte and tools, top half of back seat
CTR brakes, shocks, springs (no sways yet), no bars, bone stock engine down to the filter, Slips/Azenis
Dead even with a 00 Si, I/E, Azenis (driver 3yrs exp, me = 3 events)
About a second faster than a 92 DX hatch w/ B18B, I/E, 17's.
Not exactly what you're looking for, but thought it might help.
Removed sparte and tools, top half of back seat
CTR brakes, shocks, springs (no sways yet), no bars, bone stock engine down to the filter, Slips/Azenis
Dead even with a 00 Si, I/E, Azenis (driver 3yrs exp, me = 3 events)
About a second faster than a 92 DX hatch w/ B18B, I/E, 17's.
Not exactly what you're looking for, but thought it might help.
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That's why you should get the MR2....and depending on its classing it can be more competitive than either 'EK' civic anyways.
What generation MR2 are you looking for?
That's why you should get the MR2....and depending on its classing it can be more competitive than either 'EK' civic anyways.
What generation MR2 are you looking for?
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My recommendation is for you to leave your ego at the door before your first autocross.
My recommendation is for you to leave your ego at the door before your first autocross.
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My recommendation is for you to leave your ego at the door before your first autocross.
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My recommendation is for you to leave your ego at the door before your first autocross.
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thanks a bunch for all the suggestions, i really would get the 91-95 mr2..aquafine, good work with that hatch..so i think im pretty much set on a car, what kinda of tire is the best for overrall performance..let me know
THanks
THanks
well certain classes allow certain tires, but I'd recommend you get you feet wet with whatever tires you have on the car. Do about 5 events, and by then you'll have a better idea of what to look for. Street tires will force you to drive more smoothly and look farther ahead, and when you get into modifying the car and adding more competitive tires, you'll have a better foundation of skills... you have to ease yourself into this to be good.
Why only look at EK's? Why not an EG or EF?
An EK will never be a "nationally" competitive autox car under the current classing structure IMO. It's way outclassed in ever situation. You only have to look as far as the EG. In every classing match up the EG is going to be superior due to smaller dimensions and less weight. And that's just one example.
I spent 6 years on a EK starting with Street Touring before it was even a real class, then CSP, then thankfully the car was booted to FSP, and finally SM (to give an idea how long i whipped that dead horse). Due to the amount of leeway under SM rules I believe you could build a "good" EK, but it still wouldn't be a class beater because it would be next to impossible to make the minimum weights for either FI or NA. And once again, an EF would have an easy time with either while an EG could at least get close.
The best thing about my EK? The way the rear hatch opened...
An EK will never be a "nationally" competitive autox car under the current classing structure IMO. It's way outclassed in ever situation. You only have to look as far as the EG. In every classing match up the EG is going to be superior due to smaller dimensions and less weight. And that's just one example.
I spent 6 years on a EK starting with Street Touring before it was even a real class, then CSP, then thankfully the car was booted to FSP, and finally SM (to give an idea how long i whipped that dead horse). Due to the amount of leeway under SM rules I believe you could build a "good" EK, but it still wouldn't be a class beater because it would be next to impossible to make the minimum weights for either FI or NA. And once again, an EF would have an easy time with either while an EG could at least get close.
The best thing about my EK? The way the rear hatch opened...
what makes the CRX so much better than an ek at auto-x? I don't get it...I mean unless you are talking due to classing
I know the CRX handle better out of the box as I've owned both...but if you modify them both, is the CRX that much of a better platform? and if yes why? chassis design or what?
I know the CRX handle better out of the box as I've owned both...but if you modify them both, is the CRX that much of a better platform? and if yes why? chassis design or what?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Leb_CRX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what makes the CRX so much better than an ek at auto-x? I don't get it...I mean unless you are talking due to classing
I know the CRX handle better out of the box as I've owned both...but if you modify them both, is the CRX that much of a better platform? and if yes why? chassis design or what?
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ANY sanctioned racing is COMPLETELY about the classing structure. If you don't understand that, then you're kidding yourself.
I know the CRX handle better out of the box as I've owned both...but if you modify them both, is the CRX that much of a better platform? and if yes why? chassis design or what?
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ANY sanctioned racing is COMPLETELY about the classing structure. If you don't understand that, then you're kidding yourself.



