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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 07:35 AM
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I’ve currently got a Kirk bolt-in 4-point competition roll bar installed in my 96 Honda Civic Hatchback. I am contemplating adding the front section to the bar to make it a 6-point. Can this be added in a bolt-in configuration? I know I’d have to have someone weld the sleeves onto the main hoop for the halo and door bars, but could I purchase the rest of the kit to be bolt-in? I’d like to keep a full interior as well (minus the back seat) – is it possibly to keep door panels, etc with the front section of the cage added? The car won’t likely see wheel to wheel competition in any sort of racing series, but it is used regularly for HPDE and high speed lapping type events. It is driven to and from the track and occasionally on the street on nice days. Would you advise adding the front section, or would this simply be overkill? I am basically trying to build the safest, most-reliable track day car possible. I'm aware that a custom built cage is preferrable, but since I've already got the Kirk bar installed, I fugured I'd just use it as my base and add to that.

And yes, the car does have the proper seats (2 Sparco Evo2's) and harnesses (RCI 5-point) installed, as well as high-density SFI roll bar padding.

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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 08:43 AM
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Default Re: adding front section to existing roll bar? (Bull)

Your best move is to call Mark and ask. It is their bar and they would know if it is possible. Great people to work with, btw.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 10:17 AM
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Would adding the front section be overkill for a HPDE/open track day/sometimes street driven car that will likely not see wheel to wheel competition?
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 12:28 PM
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In my opinion, Yes.
In fact, it is considered to be dangerous to have a full cage in a street driven vehicle, unless you plan to wear a helmet while driving on the street.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 12:34 PM
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So the added safety of the 6-point vs the 4-point on track would be eliminated by the risk of injury the 6-point adds in a street driven vehicle?
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 12:43 PM
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Yup. You risk your un protected head impacting the forward cage in a street accident.

You will hear different opinions on this subject, but most will agree that a full cage in a street driven vehicle is dangerous. I opted for a rear half cage in my street/track driven vehicle, although it too is considered unsafe because I utilize 5 point harnesses on the street.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GQ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In my opinion, Yes.
In fact, it is considered to be dangerous to have a full cage in a street driven vehicle, unless you plan to wear a helmet while driving on the street.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep i have damn near knocked my self out driving the track car on te street before.
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