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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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Alright guys..
Ive posted this in the FI forum as well but trying to get answers from both sides!

Summer is coming up and Ive been going over and over this for a few weeks now..

Im giong to be bringing in some solid money over the summer, and debating on what to do..

A) Finish my All motor setup..
B) Cancle the NA build and go turbo

Current Setup:
B16a2

p&p head
3 angle valve job
AEBS intake manifold
AEM cia
AEM fuel rail
dc 4-1 header
HKS cat back
test pipe
AEM cam gears/pully
Gude stage 2 cams
B&M FPR
62mm TB
-Hondata s200

With that in mind..
A) Finishing my NA = High c/r on a new block(ls or gsr), an-r header into a 2.5 exhast, larger TB, more aggresive cams,..
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B) Getting the block and keeping the c/r low and boosting it

If i go turbo, will i be able to keep the head how it is or am i gonna have complications with the 3 angle valve job, cams, ect. ?

I would like it to be as reliable as i can, to be able to use as a DD

How much more effort and money would you estimate it would take to go turbo?

Im pretty much just looking for any suggestions!!

THANKS
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 02:22 PM
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u know what were in the same dilemma, same set up but only i have b18c1 with some aggresive cams, block is maybe around 10:5 milled head....i was thinkin the same thing since

1st im buying a good headers that would probably cost me around $700 to 900
2nd i need a better injectors thats gonna be around 280
3rd is my car is heavy {dc2} so even if i made 190 whp all motor with stock block with my new set up/ i feel like im still not gettin no where/

12's is always been my goal/ so im thinkin BOOST is the only way to go..even though i love ALL MOTOR
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 02:24 PM
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well, I think it's safe to say that everyone here will vote for N/A. I have driven tons of wild cars and I like the responsiveness of a N/A car better than anything. there is alot more to it than HP. if it's a daily and you want less hassel then N/A for sure. I wouldn't use Gude anything on your motor but to answer your question, No. most any N/A cam will not be turbo friendly.
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 02:24 PM
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by the way have u tuned ur NA set up yet? what did u make???
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 03:10 PM
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go all motor and buy my set up it's for sale
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 03:36 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PAndADc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">by the way have u tuned ur NA set up yet? what did u make??? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Nah i havnt had the chance to tune it yet.. ive been driving untuned for about 2 months since i installed the hondata

Im waiting to go up North and get it tuned

ill post when i get the numbers tho!
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 03:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by moto1320 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No. most any N/A cam will not be turbo friendly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

anyone eles vouch for that?

Ive heard both, that it will be fine and that it wont.. ?
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 04:39 PM
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im in the same dilemma i dunno if i want to do an all motor setup or boost my bitch. Give me some good opion's on why u choose one side over the other guys and help us make up are minds
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 04:51 PM
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If you havnt started the NA setup, i say go boost, but im already making 170whp+ and if i finish my all motor build i could break 200..

Its just the ammount of money to get to 200whp could easly bring me 300+ with turbo!

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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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**** boost
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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i spend mass amounts of money on my lsvtec and let me tell you if your like power hungry like i am and you want a fast car na is not the way too go. small displacement in is just crap in my opnion compared to turbo. if you own a heavy integra like myself then you almost have to go boost. i mean i have about 200whp and let me tell you its slow as **** probably would only be fun in my motor was in a crx. after you sit in a built turbo car you will never want to be na.

trust me the enjoyment from the power of a turbo wil bring a smile to your face everytime you hit boost.
learn from my mistake and just go turbo.
thats only if you want a fast car with lots of hp and turque that can spin the tires at will
my lsvtec was my first build and i am curently building my turbo motor. dont be like me and do things twice.

even if your going to make 200 whp. that really aint ****. its still going to be slow and you can have a stock ls turbo and it will be faster than the na motor. for example i have about 200whp and i got beat by a stock gsr with a greddy kit and i even lost to my cousins stock crx si with a apex kit.

but in general if you want a fast car turbo is the only answer
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 05:04 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by riceball777 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can spin the tires at will</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL LOL LOL, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA spinning tires doesnt win races.
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 05:08 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 2 NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

LOL LOL LOL, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA spinning tires doesnt win races. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i know
but i was just stating the fact that turbo has amazing amounts of power and you can spin the tires at will if you wanted to. i just saying na is useless if you own a full weight integra.
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 05:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by riceball777 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i know
but i was just stating the fact that turbo has amazing amounts of power and you can spin the tires at will if you wanted to. i just saying na is useless if you own a full weight integra.</TD></TR></TABLE>.....lets talk about how reliable will it b compare to NA??? use their cars daily...
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 05:29 PM
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Default Re: Debating Boost! (athoughts)

anyone eles vouch for that?

Ive heard both, that it will be fine and that it wont.. ?
[/QUOTE] well just put your stock cams on when you go boost!!
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 05:30 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by riceball777 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i know
but i was just stating the fact that turbo has amazing amounts of power and you can spin the tires at will if you wanted to. i just saying na is useless if you own a full weight integra.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i was just givin u ****. i too would suggest a small turbo for any car over 2300lbs. quick, yet reliable with good midrange and linear power.
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 05:43 PM
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a turbo will just be as reliable as a all motor car if its taken care of
and yes just use the stock cams for boost
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 06:28 PM
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stock/type R/turbo cams don't use any aggressive n/a cams cause that's not good for turbo. You don't want much of a duration as you do lift.
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 06:47 PM
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when I was N/A, I had a mild build done to my 00 SI. I put down 192whp. I wanted more power and after talking to a few people the amount of money I had to put in the car to get it where I wanted was not worth it to me. I went turbo 2 years ago and I LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF IT. I dont think I can ever drive another car without a turbo. If dont right and tuned correctly, a turbo car will last as long as any N/A car. got join me on the dark side
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 06:59 PM
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How much money you think you spent on the full turbo setup?
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 07:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 2 NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">**** boost</TD></TR></TABLE>

LMAO
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 07:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by athoughts &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How much money you think you spent on the full turbo setup? </TD></TR></TABLE>

it depends on how much power your trying to make and if your going to use top of the line stuff. I have done a few turbo kits for people here local that ranged for $1100 to $2100. I've even done a turbo kit buying all used parts for $900. that was a year ago and the car is still running fine. its depends. there is allot of people on here that is very knowledgable, that can help you reach your goals according to your budget
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 11:30 PM
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my feelings to
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Old Apr 25, 2005 | 06:29 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 2 NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">**** boost</TD></TR></TABLE>
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dont **** boost....simply put FI will give you MORE power for LESS money
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Old Apr 25, 2005 | 07:09 AM
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