Alright, before the flame mode starts I already have a complete running 6-bolt 4g63 engine, which is a big sum of the intial cost of doing this. I havn't taken any measurments yet either, but I searched and I only found one link, and that was a huge flame fest, and shots of a EK with an evo engine it in. What I planned on doing is using basically a BPU 4g63, with a FWD transmission and using the stock DSM front suspension, I know the DSM has a wider wheel base, so custom axles will be in need, which I already knew that was going to happen. I have a friend who has been welding for over 40 years, and deals with motor mounts and stuff like this all the time, so it will be very cheap to fabricate mounts and other needed fabrication.

I'm thinking that this will be the stuff in need for the swap.
Custom motor/tranny mounts
Some way to mate my hondas manual rack to the dsm suspension/drivtrain, or possibly use a modified DSM manual rack.
Custom DSM Wiring harness w/ECU
And a few other small things like a custom cross-member, radiator and intercooler setup/pipes and shift linkage wich will just be modified dsm cables.

This civic isn't my only car so it being down for periods of time won't be killer, and I'd really like to do this because 1. I already know loads about dsm's, 2. I could just throw exhaust and a fuel pump in it and easily make 250whp in a 2000lb civic with no sweat at all and no compromise for realiability. And I think it would be really fun project.

I had thoughts about making it Rear engine RWD with an automatic tranmission, but I hadn't taken into account that I needed someway to make the radiator and intercooler recieve air, I may look into this more because it would be incredible to havea rear engine honda. But most likely, it will be front drive. Any opinion's / advice would be great, I know this is a honda board and most of you are die hard honda guys, but widen your horizons and help me out if you can

 

my friend has a 4g63 in his EG hatch. used full talon harness, homemade axles/mounts 11.6 @ 14lbs

 

IT CAN BE DONE, SO DO IT. u got enough money?

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1222050

 

Wow, just wow.

 

i could see why if it was 4wd or rwd, but how much different would it be from a boosted low compression built b20 the way your talking about doing it?

im not trying to being a dick, i will also say those engines are downright bulletproof when tuned properly, thats pretty much a fact, but damn i dunno man.

seems like honda makes engines that are a much more bolt in affair that can accomplish similar goals with the right internals.

but since your a dsm person, i can see why youd think to do this.

it reminds me of this vr4 galant i saw being bult at this shop here in new york, it was horrible looking. grey-ish if you could even call it that just plain fugly, but a fully built 4g63 awd and a huge bottle of juice in the trunk. it was a sick sleeper.

but anyway, im rambling. if you want to do it, rock on. but what about those little mirage cars that look like dwarf lancers, wouldnt that be more appropriate a platform for what your trying to do?

as you can probably tell be now, i dont think you should do it, but as was shown above, its quite possible in an EG just keep in mind it looks very snug in that engine bay, and EF's are MUCH SMALLER then that.

so start looking into the engine bay preps the K20/H22 guys had to do to make the engines fit, like moving the brake propotioning valve and custom x-members, obviously a battery relocation, im sure im leaving **** out.

anyway, if you do it make a project log and post lots of pics, if your actually doing it and not just pipe dreaming people on here will respect it. know what i mean?

pz

 

IMO its pointless, just build a GSR block and turbo it, so much less hassle, VTEC and boost is pretty sweet

 

sounds sick, but get something new (honda wise) with more engine space. look in the weld fab fourm. there was a big post about it in something way old tho

 

Save the headache and buy a mitsubishi mirage, dodge colt, eagle summit hatchback. You can find them for pretty damn cheap. Thats what i did.

 

An eg...but I guess it's probably the same thing you are going for.

http://www.fargostreet.com/sho...=4g63

 

The DSM suspension isn't going to fit, why wouldn't you just use the honda one anyway. ? You could make the engine work.

But I have to agree, why would you? It's a PITA without a lot of upside. As an owner of both, give me a Honda to work on any day over a DSM.

 

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If you want a 4G63 in a hatch, mitsubishi mirage, dodge colt, eagle summit is the way to go

 

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Thanks for all the replies guys, I wish there was more of a right-up on those few cars that already have a 4g63 in them, all I've seen is a bunch of pictures, which really dosn't help all that much. One thing that I just realized last night that may be a bitch, is swapping to a Hyrdo setup, that may take some thought process.... But as for the replies on building a honda engine, lets just start with a basic rundown, b18 or b20, 1800-2000, building it with forged internals, 1000 mount kit = 350, swapping to hydro = 300ish, cheapest turbo kit i can find, 1500 , so were almost already up to 5000, and now it can probably handle as much horsepower as my beatup highmilage 4g63 can that would be going in the car. I thought about a colt like that, but I havn't had much luck finding one, and there kind of heavy compared to my 2000lb EF, I'm going to start taking some measurments and try to find more information on the subject, right now I'm just testing the water.

 

use the evolution 4g63 if you can

 

I did that too, and a Colt only weighs about 2200lbs BTW. Bolts in with OEM Elauntra mounts.



I t has been sold along time ago though, I'm attempting to put a Z6, or a VW turbo diesel in a Suzuki Samurai now. I'll probally do a Z6 cause no one's tried it yet.

 

Unless you're only drag racing it, I wouldn't try to use the Mitsu suspension. The difference in front an rear geometry could very well make the car unstable in the turns.

If you do use it, do you research and know what you're getting yourself into.

 

Just a thought 89spoonhatch, but I'd be interested to see the comparison of costs would be between putting it into a civic hatch, vs finding a colt/mirage/summit to put it in.

Wasnt there a 4wd summit wagon?

 

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You can find a colt/mirage/summit usually for under $500 if you just look around and have patience to wait for the right one.

Yes there was a 4wd summit wagon.

You can also mod a gsx/tsi rear end onto a mirage to get awd.

http://www.lilevo.com
http://www.4g61t.org

 

I got my colt for $100, I had 3k in the whole project, including motor, tranny, pistons, rods, complete rebuild, FMIC, ect.

 

xD