i have been searching and i have found nothing. i can get a jdm b16 motor and trans for cheap just wondering if i would like it and what it would run compared to my ls. thanks

 

The LS motor will have better low end grunt. The B16 had less torque so you will lose that low end pull off the line and on the highway. Use the money that you would buy the B16 with and do a turbo. Trust me...you will like it!!

 

just save ur money and go turbo and even build up the bottom end on the ls to handle more boost. more boost = more power.


Modified by 99LStegra at 10:55 AM 4/20/2005

 

turbo isnt really for me so im wondering all motor and just what a b16 runs in a da thanks

 

b16s run roughly around 15s

 

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buy a b16 head and a b16 trans and do a lsvtec. it will be around the same price and a lot faster

 

If you want allmotor than just go with a GSR, a B16 is a waste of money IMO; or swap out your head and trany to B16 pieces. Also Allmotor LS is an option too. I have had both a B16 and an LS and I prefer the LS! Your best bet for the money though is turbo!

 

yea i got everything to ls vtec i just dont know about it

 

if u gut ur teg and u run stocks with alright tires u should be in high 14's if good driver...thats with stock everything but intake.anyone want to call bullshit go for it...it's been done

 

btw if u have i/h/e and slicks u will be in low 14's

 

Newsflash, stock does not mean with 300lbs taken out of the car!

to answer your question, the b16 in DA will run aproxx 15.7 in the 1/4, about the same as an LS mated to a b16 tranny. LS w/ stock tranny will run about a 16.1.

It a waste of money IMO, although you'll gain a few tenth's in teh 1/4, the car will FEEL alot slower cause of the lost torque.

B16 is a terrible option IMO, better options ordered by bang for buck are Turbo LS, All Motor LS, GSR, LSVTEC

put ls/vtec last cause it's the elast reliable and I don't consider that a good investment. But still, better than the b16 cause at least you'll gain some serious power.

 

wow thanks thats terible times i dont know what im gonna do for right now i guess

 

i had a b16 in my DA before i blew it here the link to it https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=656494

boy let me tell you was that thing slow as hell. almost unbareable to drive.
DA's weight about the same as a 99 si so the time should be about the same which is upper 15's. not possible in hell to break 14's way too slow to come even clost to 14's

but if you want a fast car turbo is the only answer. small displacement na just doesent cut it. if you want to go fast in a full weight integra you got to go turbo.
i have a 200whp lsvtec and trust me it was a big waist of money. and its slow as hell. cant even beat a stock la with a drag kit.

 

wow thats sounds slow
riceball whats your ls/vtec run that you have now

 

is your car really that slow? have you ever brought it to the track and ran it? your setup is pretty much the same ive been planning on doing for awhile now, and i cant believe its "slow". that makes me reconsider. but i dont know how it can be slow, since my best friends cousin just sold an lsvtec that ran 12.9 with a similar setup; no it wasnt turbo or on juice. he had a 95 gsr that got hydrolocked, so he got a b18b block, put in JE 11:1s, eagle rods, skunk2 stage 2 cams, upgraded valvetrain, msd ignition, etc. and he ran a 12.9 with a stock exhaust except a hks axleback.(stock manifold/midpipe/converter.) he still had a gsr tranny, which would make a little difference.

 

Well my friends B16 all motor runs consistent 13's.

BEST ET: 13.360@92.77mph (And Still 1.6L)

 

have you ran your lsvtec at the track, riceball777?

 

b16 in da with b16 tranny will be easy low 15's if ur a good driver high high 14's but 15.7 thats bullshiiiat....bad driver all the way.

 

Id say hig 14's is possible with good driving, i did 14.9(check sig) with dog crap ls tranny and 403's w/2.24 60". I believe a healthy b16 w b16 tranny would be somewhat comparable.

 

first you got to remember a stock weight integra with driver will weigh about 2800 pounds and you really cant compare it will a light weight civic or crx

first of all a b16 in a stock weight integra on street tires will come no where need the 14's i gurantee it, your basically saying its as fast as a stock itr. stock itr normally barely do 14's and even sometimes 15's. a DA weight the same as a 99 si so it will do about the same time as a si which is upper 15's slower than a gsr. i use to have a b16 in my DA and i know a lot of ppl with the same thing and let me tell you it was slow as ****.

and no i never ran my lsvtec at the track. but i have beaten a few itr's and i drove a feqw 350z and i dont think its as fast as a Z. it also doesent help that most ppl i know are boosted. i mean my cousin with a stock crx si with a apex kit even beat me. and considering all the money i spend thats preatty pathetic. if i were to guss my cars time in the 1/4 i would say low 14's which is preatty slow. in general i believe all motor in a full weight integra running 91 octane is slow and a waist of money.

sure i can buy a 2000 pound crx and thrown my motor in and be like 2 second faster but i choose to drive an integra because i like the style and power everything. so the only asnwer for ppl like me is boost.

if you want to go NA do it a light car but in general boost is much more fun because it just has ***** and NA will never have the amazing power that boost will have

 

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to answer your question, the b16 in DA will run aproxx 15.7 in the 1/4, about the same as an LS mated to a b16 tranny. LS w/ stock tranny will run about a 16.1.

B16 is a terrible option IMO, better options ordered by bang for buck are Turbo LS, All Motor LS, GSR, LSVTEC

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OK guys...we should all know that there are so many factors that determine how fast a car will go. I OWN A B16A DA. It's a 1990 LS with a JDM 93 XSi B16A, 170 hp OBD1. The car has good sus, good tires, and a good driver behind the wheel. All that's done to the engine at the moment is an AEBS intake manifold, A'PEXi power intake, and a chipped P28 (running ridiculously rich untuned). I don't drag race, so I don't know what times I run, but my car has always held its own on the streets.

Here's an example. Last week I raced a 97 Civic Hatch w/ a JDM 97 B18C SiR engine in it. The hatch has sus, but other than that it's bone stock. In a second gear pull from 25 MPH to 90 MPH I was at the back of his door. In a 3rd gear pull from 40 MPH to 100 MPH, I was ahead of the hatch until late 4th gear. THIS SHOWS THAT THE QUALITY AND CONDITION OF YOUR ENGINE IS A BIG FACTOR!!! MY B16A was in EXCELLENT CONDITION WHEN I GOT IT. Obviously, the B18C in the Civic is not.
I've also raced plenty of relatively stock DB2 and DC2 GS-R's. The DB2 GS-Rs get beaten in second gear, as they only have 160HP and less torque than my B16A (B17A1 still makes less power and torque than the secong gen B16A)the DC2 GS-R is a fairly even race. Both my car and a DC2 GS-R have 170 HP. The torque of the B18C is nice, but with B16A gearing, The B16A will reach its PEAK torque before the B18C will. This is another factor. Driver will determine the outcome.
I know that I'm babbling, but what I am trying to say is don't rule out the B16A as an option. It is a great engine for a DA integra. If the B16A is a first gen, it might not be worth it. If it is a second gen, and it is in good shape, GO FOR IT. A 170HP B16A with Bolt ons like I/H/E, better cat or test pipe, and an intake manifold will make decent opwer, and NO, I MEAN NO, LS motor will even come close to you. If a DC2 GS-R with bolt ons can pull a 14.7, whats stopping a 170HP B16A powered DA from running a 14.8??? The DA does weigh about as much as the Civic Si, and even with the first gen B16A with 160 HP in it, it should run times like a STOCK Civic Si,with stock tires, which is about 15.4-15.5

 

my DA(rs model) weighed in at 2480 with no rear seats,ps, or speakers which is much lighter than a 99-2000 si. I believe a b16 with boltons could pull low 15's amd MAYBE high 14's with exceptional driving with that weight. Now i agree that the ls model with power everything is a bit heavy so i could see high 15's with that setup.

 

I have also been beaten by a modded b16 DA when i first installed my cams so i can agree with knowledgeda9 that the b16 shouldnt be ruled out as an option. With some weight reduc. and good mods a b16 can move.

 

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My 90 LS, full interior, spare tire, A/C, power steering and cruise control weighs just over 2485 lbs. The only way I dropped weight off of the car 16lbs from lighter wheels, I dropped 25 lbs with a drivers side bucket seat, 7lbs from plastic 1 piece headlights, 20lbs from JDM rear bumper support.

Lets see: DC2 GS-R=over 2660 lbs, depending on year. 170HP 126TQ
DA9 w/ OBD1 B16A= 2550 lbs, 170HP 116TQ
EM1 Civic Si= about 2555 lbs, 160 HP 112TQ
The B16A also accelerates better with its gear ratios.
It looks like the DA9 and the DC2 are pretty evely matched. That means they should run similar 1/4 times because the power/weight ratio is very similar.

 

Good numbers man, looks like you found some good places to shed weight without stripping ur car.