I should be finished with my turbo set up not too long from now and will be replacing the rims and tires as well. Going on an 00 civic coupe if that means anything. Im probably going to go with 15" rims..... but I am not too sure about which tires to go with. I plan on putting down a little over 200whp. I want some tires that have good traction so I can keep the power to the ground. Im sure the stockers wont do that too well. Any sugguestions? Also, which size? I was thinking 205/50/15..... would that be alright? Thanks for any help.

 

Toyo Proxes 4, Yoko ES 100, or the best....Toyo T1-S. I'm waitin for the first clown to hop on here and say "Azenis!"

 

thanks for the reply. i know that there are other factors that come in to play with traction and all.... just need some help picking the tires.

 

Pirelli P-Nero Zero M/S, although I think the smallest the sell might be 16's...

 

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First off I'd like to say that I don't own any clown makeup...ES-100's are weak. The only good thing about that tire is wet weather traction. Azenis will outperform each of the tires listed in all other performance aspects.


4 DRY PERFORMANCE GO W/ AZENIS!

 

I have personally ran in order : Toyo T1-S(215-45-15) Azenis(205-50-15) and then the Proxes 4(195-50-15). For everyday, long lasting the Proxes 4 is the best. The very best wet/dry traction tire is hands down the T1-S. When I put the Azenis' on to see what all the hype was about I damn near put my car in a ditch, they absolutely sucked and drove like ****** balloons in the water. I seriiously can't believe how much hype that tire got.....

 

Any other sugguestions?

 

I plan on going with BF Goodrich g-Force KDW-2 tires for my 16"s.

 

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And they will last 2-3 times longer than Azenis. And they cost a lot less (in the 195/55-15 size, anyway).

You really need to decide how much you care about all the various characteristics that differ among tires - things like dry performance, wet performance, treadlife, cost, etc. If you ONLY care about dry performance, the Azenis are a good choice, but you'll be replacing them often and they're not as good as most other tires on wet pavement. The Bridgestone S-03 has excellent dry performance and wet performance, and decent treadlife, but it's pricey. The ES100 has so-so dry performance but excellent wet performance, treadlife, and cost. The Kumho MX is another tire that is very good at all of these things, while not the best in any one thing in particular.

As for sizes, the stock size on your Civic Coupe is either 195/55-15 (Civic Si Coupe) or 185/65-14 (Civic EX Coupe). Going with another 195/55-15 is fine if the tire you want is available in that size (e.g. ES100); otherwise, the 205/50-15 is probably best (but the speedometer and odometer will both read high by about 1.6 percent).

 

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Those are all-season tires. They might be okay if you're looking for a tire that will be okay on snow and in frigid temperatures (but not as good as a true winter tire). But if winter weather performance isn't a concern for you - and since you're in Corpus, I'm guessing it's not - there are better choices around.

 

i'd go with Proxes 4 if you are planning on driving it daily. azenis is nice too but i'd go for Proxes 4. thats just my opinion. its all up to you on what you really need. good luck with it and have fun.

 

I was looking at the Kuhmo MXs..... the specs on them looked pretty good. I also thought about those goodrich kdw2. I havent really looked into any toyos though..... i will have to check them out. Thanks for all the sugguestions.... and keep em coming.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fsthonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'd go with Proxes 4 if you are planning on driving it daily.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Those are all-season tires. They might be okay if you're looking for a tire that will be okay on snow and in frigid temperatures (but not as good as a true winter tire). But if winter weather performance isn't a concern for you - and since you're in Corpus, I'm guessing it's not - there are better choices around. Including the previously-mentioned Toyo T1-S.

 

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falken azenis!

 

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Sorry, but that makes you only the second clown, not the first!

j/k...

 

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Those are all-season tires. They might be okay if you're looking for a tire that will be okay on snow and in frigid temperatures (but not as good as a true winter tire). But if winter weather performance isn't a concern for you - and since you're in Corpus, I'm guessing it's not - there are better choices around. Including the previously-mentioned Toyo T1-S.
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I don't know about you but I don't drive my rims in the winter, I have a whole different set up for that....he never said he was searching for winter tires, he said he was buying new tires and rims, which makes me think nice rims which will not be used in the winter...

 

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Yes, that's exactly my point. Unless someone says they're looking for an all-season tire, I assume they're looking for a high-performance "summer" tire that will not be used on snow or in frigid temperatures. Just like you.

 

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Yes, that's exactly my point. Unless someone says they're looking for an all-season tire, I assume they're looking for a high-performance "summer" tire that will not be used on snow or in frigid temperatures. Just like you.
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I have the M/S and it is perfect dry or wet, if he wants it to be strictly summer just get the summer P-zero nero, but actually the M/S scored higher in the tests....The P-zero nero is considered a "high performance" tire and the M/S they call "ultra high performance" and I guess the ratings reflect that...

 

check for yourself, here is just a few....


http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...x.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...t.jsp

 

Read user reviews.....

http://www.tirerack.com/survey...M%26S

 

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I've met and spoken with the folks at the Tire Rack. (Since their headquarters are about 100 miles from here, they often participate in local track events and come to club meetings, etc.) They note that their comparison tests should be used for comparing the tires within each test ONLY to each other, and not to tires tested at other times. So even though the ratings for an all-season tire for some particular characteristic may be very good, they should not be compared with those for another tire tested on a different day and time.

If you want an all-season tire, by all means get an all-season tire. But these tires are designed for all-season use. They trade off some warm-weather capabilities (such as dry grip and handling) for cold-weather capabilities (such as grip on snow). Their range of optimal operating temperatures is much wider, and as a result, they don't grip as well when it's warm out than a tire which is designed to do well ONLY when it's warm out.

That doesn't mean that all-season tires are bad; they may do okay when it's warm out. But their manufacturer makes other, "summer" tires that are specifically designed to do well when it's warm out, and they are almost always better in those temperatures.

That's what's good about having so many tires to choose from. Someone in South Texas doesn't need to consider tires that were designed to provide grip in snow and cold, and can use tires that were designed only for warm-weather grip. Same thing for someone up north who uses a separate set of winter tires in cold weather. But if someone needs tires that grip okay in both warm and cold - not necessarily as well as tires designed for each scenario, but still do okay - then all-season tires might be the best choice for that person. Different strokes for different folks (or, different treads for different heads).

 

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I've met and spoken with the folks at the Tire Rack. (Since their headquarters are about 100 miles from here, they often participate in local track events and come to club meetings, etc.) They note that their comparison tests should be used for comparing the tires within each test ONLY to each other, and not to tires tested at other times. So even though the ratings for an all-season tire for some particular characteristic may be very good, they should not be compared with those for another tire tested on a different day and time.

If you want an all-season tire, by all means get an all-season tire. But these tires are designed for all-season use. They trade off some warm-weather capabilities (such as dry grip and handling) for cold-weather capabilities (such as grip on snow). Their range of optimal operating temperatures is much wider, and as a result, they don't grip as well when it's warm out than a tire which is designed to do well ONLY when it's warm out.

That doesn't mean that all-season tires are bad; they may do okay when it's warm out. But their manufacturer makes other, "summer" tires that are specifically designed to do well when it's warm out, and they are almost always better in those temperatures.

That's what's good about having so many tires to choose from. Someone in South Texas doesn't need to consider tires that were designed to provide grip in snow and cold, and can use tires that were designed only for warm-weather grip. Same thing for someone up north who uses a separate set of winter tires in cold weather. But if someone needs tires that grip okay in both warm and cold - not necessarily as well as tires designed for each scenario, but still do okay - then all-season tires might be the best choice for that person. Different strokes for different folks (or, different treads for different heads).
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true but 500 user reviews cant be wrong....it does come down to personal preference too, just like buying electronics or anything, Rockford or infinity? or alpine? to each his own...And although it is all season, they said themselves it performs like a summer only on the dry track....


"The PZero Nero M+S really felt at home on our dry handling course, behaving more like a summer-only tire than an all-season one. Sharing the same tread pattern as its summer-only counterpart, the Nero M+S proved superior on the handling track, producing the fastest slalom segment time, highest average cornering g's and average overall lap time of this all-season tire test.

In wet conditions, the PZero Nero M+S also performed well. Steering response was rated best of the test, while the level of grip in the steady-state cornering of the skid pad portion of the course was highest overall. Average overall lap times for the PZero Nero M+S were again quickest of the test."


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No, they said it performs more like a summer tire than like an all-season. That doesn't mean it performs as well as summer tires that might be better choices. Especially for someone in South Texas.

Also, this was a test only of all-season tires against each other, and did not compare them with summer tires. Remember, the folks at the Tire Rack note that their comparison tests should be used for comparing the tires within each test ONLY to each other, and not to tires tested at other times.

What works best in Toronto or Chicago isn't necessarily what works best in South Texas. If you want a tire that you might need in snow and cold as well as warm weather, an all-season tire might be a good choice (although separate tires, winter tires for cold weather and summer tires for warm weather, would be even better). If you want a tire that will never see snow or cold and will only be used in warmer temperatures, you're better off with a summer tire whose design was optimized for those conditions, without having its warm-weather performance compromised for possible cold-weather usage.

 

FYI My name says Toronto but I have been in South Florida for the last 4 years and that is where I got the pirelli's M/S on my car......I know about the tests, and I am not talking just about them but also about what the other 500 users have reviewed and rated them, if you check the "summer" vs "all season" p-nero zero, you will see the all season is actually rated higher in every single category and NOT by tire rack but by the people who actually use them day in and day out...

 

User ratings are by people driving all kinds of different cars, and have as much to do with the expectations of the people who drive those cars than they do with the actual performance of the tires themselves.

As the Tire Rack website notes:

"The P Zero Nero M+S is Pirelli's choice for drivers who want to drive their car through America's various weather conditions, including occasional light snow."

But yeah, sure, all season tires in South Texas, whatever you say...

Go on, reply - it's very clear you INSIST on having the last word...



Modified by nsxtasy at 5:28 PM 4/25/2005