I can't decide which to get. I've heard great things about both motors and I've seen some pretty cool stuff done to them, but I still can't figure out which one to get. I searched this and for some reason, i couldn't find anything about it...seems odd...

Anyway, I would love your guys' opinions on either or both, and why? Thanks a million!

 

either is good they are both great engines, some slight differences will be gearing, torque and hp

 

both are good...theres no wrong chose on those motors...I love my LS b16 head...

 

what is the main difference between the two motors? Other differences, too?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekcivicphx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what is the main difference between the two motors? Other differences, too?</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok B16a2

dp-1595
hp-160@7600
tq-111@7000
comp-10:2:1
obd 2


and GSR ( I would prefer this motor )

dp-1797
hp-170@7600
tq-128@6200
comp-10:0:1
obd 1 and obd2
The GSR has more usuable torque than the b16, but of course what honda motor really has any torque without turboing?

 

b18 &gt; b16

but really i guess it depends on how much your willing to spend. hell, i dont think an h22 is too much more expensive anymore. is it? my logic is to go with the higher level engine.

 

You guys are joking me right? A b16 in an integra is just a plain old dog. It has absoultly no torque whatsoever. It's a waste of a swap. Any B18 will be better than a b16 in an integra. It's just too heavy of a car to swap that in.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BLacK FirE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys are joking me right? A b16 in an integra is just a plain old dog. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i kind of agree there.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BLacK FirE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> It's just too heavy of a car to swap that in.</TD></TR></TABLE>

but what are you talking about here?

 

The integra is too heavy of a car (compared to a civic) for the b16 to be useful. Hence why it is a dog. There isn't enough torque to really pull the car around.

 

ah. ok. thought you were talkin about the h22 but forgot to mention the engine. woulda had to throw down and start dispelling rumors and ****.

but yeah i dont think a b16 swap would be wise. its his car though. he could put a d in if he felt like it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BLacK FirE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The integra is too heavy of a car (compared to a civic) for the b16 to be useful. Hence why it is a dog. There isn't enough torque to really pull the car around.</TD></TR></TABLE>



A few peeps I know did the B16 and they all comment on the lack of power. Go B18 man. Better yet H22

 

Ok, no question, it's all about the GSR. Thanks guys! Now i just have to find a cheap one! I just need a motor, tranny, ecu, harness, and axles, right?

 

An Integra RS weighs less than either a Del Sol VTEC or a 99-00 Civic Si, so the B16 can definatly be a winner if you have the correct Integra. Also note that the second gen JDM B16 comes with 170hp just like the USDM GSR motor. If you're willing to pick and choose and take your time doing it, then a B16 can definately be fun, but a GSR motor is ideal if you're not running an RS integra.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kendall &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">An Integra RS weighs less than either a Del Sol VTEC or a 99-00 Civic Si, so the B16 can definatly be a winner if you have the correct Integra. Also note that the second gen JDM B16 comes with 170hp just like the USDM GSR motor. If you're willing to pick and choose and take your time doing it, then a B16 can definately be fun, but a GSR motor is ideal if you're not running an RS integra.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeap and the b16's were also in the JDM Ek sedans which were abit heavier, possibly the same wieght as an integra

 

i say go b18, it still has more of that usable torque than b16, h22 is nice but it weighs 200 pounds more then the b series engines.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mystikalstriker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h22 is nice but it weighs 200 pounds more then the b series engines. </TD></TR></TABLE>

wrong

 

if you've decided to swap a B16 into your teg, you better make damn sure that you've got the B16/ITR tranny along with it. without that tranny, that motor/chassis combo is **** (unless you're FI/Nitrous)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kendall &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">An Integra RS weighs less than either a Del Sol VTEC or a 99-00 Civic Si, so the B16 can definatly be a winner if you have the correct Integra. Also note that the second gen JDM B16 comes with 170hp just like the USDM GSR motor. If you're willing to pick and choose and take your time doing it, then a B16 can definately be fun, but a GSR motor is ideal if you're not running an RS integra.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for addressing this somewhat, Kendall. Inevitably, whenever the subject of a B16A in an Integra arises, posts are made stating how, "It doesn't have enough torque for the 'heavy' Integra" and it will somehow be underpowered. As you stated, the weight difference between a G3 Integra (even a DC2) and a number of factory B16A-powered Civics is quite minimal. While few would argue that a stock '99-'00 Civic Si is blazingly fast, it's certainly just as fast, or faster than, a stock Integra LS when both are driven properly.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shinobijesus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b18 &gt; b16

but really i guess it depends on how much your willing to spend. hell, i dont think an h22 is too much more expensive anymore. is it? my logic is to go with the higher level engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i think H22s are cheaper than GSR and B16 motors right now because the demand is less

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shinobijesus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ah. ok. thought you were talkin about the h22 but forgot to mention the engine. woulda had to throw down and start dispelling rumors and ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mystikalstriker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h22 is nice but it weighs 200 pounds more then the b series engines. </TD></TR></TABLE>



stop perpetuating myths damnit... the h22 weighs around ~50 lbs more than a b series.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chopstick407 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think H22s are cheaper than GSR and B16 motors right now because the demand is less</TD></TR></TABLE>

cool. more powerful motor for less money?

 

The only advantage the B16 has is cost and tranny. the tranny part can be fixed but you nee to decide if the cost is worth the benefit. Personally I would go with the B18.

I dont see why people say the B16 doesnt have enough TQ to pull an integra around when the civic si only weighs ~150lbs less than a gsr AND it has shorter gearing

 

Go H22 man I have a 97 RS with a H22a and it kicks ***. It is not the fastest car on the road(although some traction bars are should hit 13's), but it is a blast to drive around town. ANY gear I am in I can punch it and it pulls. You don't even need VTEC in the damn thing, it's plenty fast up to 5200 RPM. And when the big cams DO come on? Hold on to your knickers cause it's a 20 HP kick in the ***

If you don't want a H22, a B16 shouldn't even be a choice though. Go GSR, or LSVTEC, or Turbo.

 

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If you don't want a H22, a B16 shouldn't even be a choice though. Go GSR, or LSVTEC, or Turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>


i would so pick a b16 over a ls/vtec....

 

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i would so pick a b16 over a ls/vtec.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not to be a dick, but that would be silly. Are you saying that because of all the myths about LSVTECs not being reliable? In an Integra you really need all the torque you can get. Just look at a 99-00 Si, they are SOOO doggy.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by simon98h22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wrong</TD></TR></TABLE>

He was wrong, but how does it help anyone by just saying "wrong" ?
Try maybe Correcting him over just saying he was wrong, then it would help everyone and not just you.