ok i have a 2000 gsr turbo semi built (stock sleeves) i am not a road coarse style racer (but would like to try) i am more into dragging . i plan on going mid 11s this year. so i am going to need a cage which is certified by drag rules and i am also interested in road racing as a side thing. which kind of cage is certified in both scca and drag racing. i am more into dragging though, my local track (englishtown) just opened up a road coarse and since dragging is usually filled with real slow cars and rice boys and such i would like to try something new.

ok i am not sure if this made sence or not lol
but bottom line i need a cage for both dragging and SCCA.
oh and a suggestion of harnesses also (i have sparco torino seats for now but plan on getting sparco pro 2000's)

thanks

 

Your cheapest alternative is the autopower 6-point cage. It is SCCA-Legal. You will need to call regarding its NHRA-Legallity. Call IOPort racing and see what they say.

http://www.ioportracing.com

 

IIRC, the Autopower cage is not NHRA legal. Nor are the other easy choices (Kirk Racing, etc). Call NHRA to be sure, though...

Jon
(an autopower dealer)

 

http://www.nhra.com/contacts/tech_faq.html

this should answer your question

 

There is no racing class in SCCA for non-factory turbo'd cars.
Just build the cage to the Drag Racing specs!

 

Excellent link, thanks Morgan! Just glancing at it quickly revealed several ways an Autopower cage would not even remotely be NHRA legal.

PS- Ed, I agree with your statement but I also think that some regions would let him run in ITE (or whatever their catch-all is) just to get another entry. And he could definitely run it in a NASA Super Unlimited class...

Jon

 

thanks urban for the rules........oh and thats to bad about the only factory tubo cars can compete in scca events ah well looks liek im just going to be dragging....how about harnesses? i want to be sure that i am safe
3 point? 4 point? 5 point? 6 point?
thanks


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PROFILE - Don't let Ed's comments deter you. There are still several autocross classes you can run in and you can certainly run High Performance Driving Schools on-track with most organizations.

The SCCA turbo limitation ONLY applies to their road racing classes.

 

Profile, are you talking about doing actual wheel-to-wheel roadracing for times and trophies, or just doing schools/time trials/etc?

Also, as for harnesses... get 5 or 6 point, with 3" belts. There are two types of latches (camlock and latch&link) and both are fine, but some people prefer camlock. Sparco makes some nice ones, as does TRW Sabelt and Momo and Autopower and etc...

Hope that helps,

Jon

 

would i run into problems if i was to autoX with a nhra cage in my car?

(why am i still awake?)

thanks jon
but mostlikely start with just schools and trials and stuff i am very new to roadracing autoXin as well just kinda getting board with dragging

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[Modified by PROFILE GSR, 9:53 AM 1/29/2002]

 

Just want to add some fuel to this fire, nothing personal Jon.

1) just spoke to one of the SCCA chief instructors for the DC region (FV Bob Tupper), and he said some guy locally had just had his champioship from last year withdrawn/pulled, for failure to comply because some/one of the head IT people didn't allow some back door eligibality into .... I think it was and ITE class.

2) Since there's now a NASA ECHC, why not allow Honda or Acura turbos there in H1, instead of some other race group (after all, that was the idea ... to have Honda products racing together with each other)!

 

Street Mod, D Mod or E Mod run in both Solo 1 (time trials on fast tracks) and Solo 2 (autocross) and a turbo Honda would fit there, for what it's worth.

I know someone is gonna argue with me on this but I'll say it anyway. Turbocharged Hondas are *much* more likely to do the following things.

1. Blow up in a road racing environment
2. Not have enough brakes to be safe

And anything you can do to counteract the above problems adds these problems...

3. They're often very expensive...
4. ...which makes H1 a checkbook contest, not a driving contest

In creating the H1 rules in particular we've tried to keep *some* semblance of affordability in the series. We also don't want hand grenades oiling down and/or falling off the track. I know, I know...there's no such thing as affordable road racing, but we're trying to get closer to that.

 

Sort of OT, but it's interesting that NHRA won't certify for a 11.99 second run at around 110 mph in a straight line, the same type of cage that SCCA, NASA et. al. think is all right for an extended wheel-to-wheel race at speeds easily exceeding 140 mph.

Thoughts, anyone?

 

11.99 only requries a rollbar. Not a cage. But, an NHRA rollbar does have a driver door bar, which SCCA does not require of it's rollbars.

A full cage isn't required until 9.99, or 10.99 if the firewall/floor is modified.

Tubing requirements are similar, though SCCA requires thicker walls (.120" vs .118 for NHRA).

There may be a few small details that are different, so better read the books for both. But overall, the designs are similar.

 

That was ITE for 2000. The driver was protested after the season and the protest was upheld by the ITE Chairman. (Go figure.)

I was on the WASH DC Board of Directors at the time and was against the disqualification. The car was illegal, but so was the disqualification process.

Grumpy

 

I think you better recheck the rule book. EVERY class in SCCA requires at least one driver side door bar.

Grumpy