Greddy turbo not safe?
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Re: Greddy turbo not safe? (k20whitevic)
yeah it's messe dup that this happened. Paul is a cool guy, i just met him today at the CRSX Mod meet we had today. That car was so sweet when i saw it this morning. Then just a half hour later that happens. Him and his girl made it out ok and that the important thing.
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here is what the guy posted
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he whole story in a nutshell....... About a week after the install... the bolts holding the turbo to the downpipe broke, so the air was dumping out right there by the firewall. I took it back to the shop and they replaced them with straight bolts again and said "they would break again and were temporary, that i needed spring bolts and they would order them"......
so a week passes and they didnt call, i call them and they forgot to order the bolts.... this game goes on for about 2 more weeks. Finally I call and they say "sure cmon in tomorrow and we'll fix it." the next day comes and I get there.... no bolts they tell me to come back another day, they'd call when the bolts come in.
so on the ride to the mod meet... my bolt breaks and the turbo is dumping right there. my EGT gauge is down by the cat instead of the downpipe so it runs a little colder. usually driving its about 600 and 800 at WOT. Today daily driving when the bolt came off it was close to 1000. So i decided to leave the mod meet early and go install some grillcraft and fix the bolts myself. Well on the way home it catches fire back by the turbo somewhere. My opinion is that since it was running near 1000 back by the cat, when its normally 600 not in boost who knows how hot the turbo was. I think it caused either the oil line to bust from the heat or melted some wires or lines back there from the extreme heat. o well who knows though.... we'll see what kind of money i get back from the insurance and maybe a lawsuit if I get screwed...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he whole story in a nutshell....... About a week after the install... the bolts holding the turbo to the downpipe broke, so the air was dumping out right there by the firewall. I took it back to the shop and they replaced them with straight bolts again and said "they would break again and were temporary, that i needed spring bolts and they would order them"......
so a week passes and they didnt call, i call them and they forgot to order the bolts.... this game goes on for about 2 more weeks. Finally I call and they say "sure cmon in tomorrow and we'll fix it." the next day comes and I get there.... no bolts they tell me to come back another day, they'd call when the bolts come in.
so on the ride to the mod meet... my bolt breaks and the turbo is dumping right there. my EGT gauge is down by the cat instead of the downpipe so it runs a little colder. usually driving its about 600 and 800 at WOT. Today daily driving when the bolt came off it was close to 1000. So i decided to leave the mod meet early and go install some grillcraft and fix the bolts myself. Well on the way home it catches fire back by the turbo somewhere. My opinion is that since it was running near 1000 back by the cat, when its normally 600 not in boost who knows how hot the turbo was. I think it caused either the oil line to bust from the heat or melted some wires or lines back there from the extreme heat. o well who knows though.... we'll see what kind of money i get back from the insurance and maybe a lawsuit if I get screwed...
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Re: Greddy turbo not safe? (kal1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kal1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think what makes them so unsafe is because they set cars on fire.
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omg I hate this person
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omg I hate this person
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Re: (PePpeRedDc5)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PePpeRedDc5 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that's why "NA IS BEST"</TD></TR></TABLE>
Until you bump the compression and blow your head.
Every route of performance gains has it's dangers. Granted this is the worst possible case (car burning to a crisp) but we all take that risk. I've never had to deal with losing an entire car (except for someone pulling out in front of me in traffic) so I don't know what this guy is going through or feeling right now, and I'm not saying he deserves it either. I'm just trying to say that NA isn't necessarily *best*, STOCK is *best*
Until you bump the compression and blow your head.
Every route of performance gains has it's dangers. Granted this is the worst possible case (car burning to a crisp) but we all take that risk. I've never had to deal with losing an entire car (except for someone pulling out in front of me in traffic) so I don't know what this guy is going through or feeling right now, and I'm not saying he deserves it either. I'm just trying to say that NA isn't necessarily *best*, STOCK is *best*
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Re: (consolidatedbord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by consolidatedbord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
STOCK is *best*</TD></TR></TABLE>
tru dat!!!...u should expect sh** to happen if u wanna go fast either way ur risking your life...
STOCK is *best*</TD></TR></TABLE>
tru dat!!!...u should expect sh** to happen if u wanna go fast either way ur risking your life...
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Re: Greddy turbo not safe? (kal1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kal1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think what makes them so unsafe is because they set cars on fire.
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LOL. That's awesome. Man, that sucks about dudes car. Thats messed up. To have to sit there and watch your car burn to a crisp.
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LOL. That's awesome. Man, that sucks about dudes car. Thats messed up. To have to sit there and watch your car burn to a crisp.
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Re: Greddy turbo not safe? (PhunDrm)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by delpoop! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">these people should prolly have someone who knows what their doing put their kits </TD></TR></TABLE>
glad everyone was ok
glad everyone was ok
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Re: Greddy turbo not safe? (03civicep)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 03civicep »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i talked to that guy a while back , seemed really nice...
greddy kit = safe if installed correctly
greddy kit = unsafe if installed incorrectly</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you are probably correct and the shop that did the install should really have to pay for a fudge up this big. This is why I am doing more and more of my own work, there are so few shops that really do good work you can count on. Really depressing!
greddy kit = safe if installed correctly
greddy kit = unsafe if installed incorrectly</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you are probably correct and the shop that did the install should really have to pay for a fudge up this big. This is why I am doing more and more of my own work, there are so few shops that really do good work you can count on. Really depressing!
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Re: Greddy turbo not safe? (giff74)
even though hanging a fire extinguisher on the a-pillar is in my opinion "ricey", having one in the trunk is probably a good idea...
do you think he could have saved his car if he had one?
do you think he could have saved his car if he had one?
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Re: (njandrewg)
here's an unsolicited opinion by me, from experience with a greddy turbo kit, and my take on this particular situation with this fire...
i had a greddy turbo kit for my miata. i no longer have the kit on the car. i installed it myself. i researched the properties LONG before buying the kit, i found others who had the same kit on the same car (on an internet site, asked questions, looked for answers), and i planned my modifications accordingly. the kit came set at 5-6 psi. i added proper adjacent mods that allowed me to run it at 15psi with pump gas (programmable ECU, custom downpipe, custom exhaust, larger injectors, heavy duty fuel pump, copius amounts of heat shielding, yadda yadda...)
it was WELL-KNOWN from the other owners that the BOLTS holding the turbo to the manifold and the one attaching the downpipe to the turbo were PRONE TO BREAKING. the solution is to replace them with grade 8 STUDS. i used grade 10. spring bolts sure weren't the answer to the RSX owner who now owns a big piece of JDM charcoal.
i DOUBT the rsx owner told his insurance company he had added a turbo kit. in fact, he will be lucky if they payout a claim. the fault sure as hell isn't the shop that installed it. the fault lies with the owner. read the literature that come with the greddy kit. this guy knew he had a leak, he couldn't get the replacement parts (which you easily get improved hardware at your local hardware store), BUT HE STILL DROVE IT. if it was his only car, that's the price you have to pay to modifying a car like that...sometimes you need to call enterprise for a loaner.
my miata greddy kit came with a rubber oil return hose, but i paid the $50 to use AN fittings and stainless hi-temp braided hoses. if his exhaust temp was 800-1000 degrees, the thermosensor was probably too far from the turbo. in reality, it probably should have seen 1200 degrees on a routine basis, unless is was dumping fuel in their by the bucket-load.
it's a bad deal, but if the owner thinks he's going to sue someone, he better be ready for someone with deeper pockets to fire back...hard.
lesson learned: if you're going to modify your car, even if it's a simple damned intake cone, take the time to DO_THE_RESEARCH to find out how it works, what the positive effects are, and especially what the detriments are. GOOGLE and the "SEARCH" features on boards like this are your only hope. if you're too stupid, too poor, or too lazy to do this, you deserve to have your car melted into the asphalt.
darwin is watching.
i had a greddy turbo kit for my miata. i no longer have the kit on the car. i installed it myself. i researched the properties LONG before buying the kit, i found others who had the same kit on the same car (on an internet site, asked questions, looked for answers), and i planned my modifications accordingly. the kit came set at 5-6 psi. i added proper adjacent mods that allowed me to run it at 15psi with pump gas (programmable ECU, custom downpipe, custom exhaust, larger injectors, heavy duty fuel pump, copius amounts of heat shielding, yadda yadda...)
it was WELL-KNOWN from the other owners that the BOLTS holding the turbo to the manifold and the one attaching the downpipe to the turbo were PRONE TO BREAKING. the solution is to replace them with grade 8 STUDS. i used grade 10. spring bolts sure weren't the answer to the RSX owner who now owns a big piece of JDM charcoal.
i DOUBT the rsx owner told his insurance company he had added a turbo kit. in fact, he will be lucky if they payout a claim. the fault sure as hell isn't the shop that installed it. the fault lies with the owner. read the literature that come with the greddy kit. this guy knew he had a leak, he couldn't get the replacement parts (which you easily get improved hardware at your local hardware store), BUT HE STILL DROVE IT. if it was his only car, that's the price you have to pay to modifying a car like that...sometimes you need to call enterprise for a loaner.
my miata greddy kit came with a rubber oil return hose, but i paid the $50 to use AN fittings and stainless hi-temp braided hoses. if his exhaust temp was 800-1000 degrees, the thermosensor was probably too far from the turbo. in reality, it probably should have seen 1200 degrees on a routine basis, unless is was dumping fuel in their by the bucket-load.
it's a bad deal, but if the owner thinks he's going to sue someone, he better be ready for someone with deeper pockets to fire back...hard.
lesson learned: if you're going to modify your car, even if it's a simple damned intake cone, take the time to DO_THE_RESEARCH to find out how it works, what the positive effects are, and especially what the detriments are. GOOGLE and the "SEARCH" features on boards like this are your only hope. if you're too stupid, too poor, or too lazy to do this, you deserve to have your car melted into the asphalt.
darwin is watching.
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Re: (kung fu grip)
Man, that sucks! That guy must feel like hell now.
I feel bad, but that guy is crazy if he thinks the shop is liable for anything, IMO. He'd have a better chance going after greddy, but that's a long shot to say the least.
Sounds like the broken bolts let some 1300F+ exh. gasses out and something caught fire.
I feel bad, but that guy is crazy if he thinks the shop is liable for anything, IMO. He'd have a better chance going after greddy, but that's a long shot to say the least.
Sounds like the broken bolts let some 1300F+ exh. gasses out and something caught fire.
Re: Greddy turbo not safe? (riceball777)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by riceball777 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow sorry for your lost
and about the "STOCK IS BEST"
sure stock is best if you like driving a slow *** car
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i'd rather drive a slow *** car thats reliable and work properly than driving a fast modded car that will break down on me, not work right when i need it to, and plus "fast" modded cars get too much unwanted attention for example cops and THIEVES
one more thing a stock RSX-S isnt a slow *** car
and about the "STOCK IS BEST"
sure stock is best if you like driving a slow *** car
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i'd rather drive a slow *** car thats reliable and work properly than driving a fast modded car that will break down on me, not work right when i need it to, and plus "fast" modded cars get too much unwanted attention for example cops and THIEVES
one more thing a stock RSX-S isnt a slow *** car
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first off itd be incredibly stupid to mention anything to the insurance company... " car caught fire, thats all i know " u gotta keep it short and sweet and u'll get ur money. second i def reccommend a professional install for any kind of serious power adder i.e. turbo kits. mine is pending install and ill be sure to have my guy triple check everything. also i saw that greddy came out with some replacement oil lines that r a bit more sturdier.
btw sorry bout ur car, glad ur ok. cars a car, it can be replaced and u got another chance to modify ur next car correctly and safely. best of luck to u.
btw sorry bout ur car, glad ur ok. cars a car, it can be replaced and u got another chance to modify ur next car correctly and safely. best of luck to u.
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Re: (K20Allmotor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K20Allmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">first off itd be incredibly stupid to mention anything to the insurance company... " car caught fire, thats all i know " u gotta keep it short and sweet and u'll get ur money. second i def reccommend a professional install for any kind of serious power adder i.e. turbo kits. mine is pending install and ill be sure to have my guy triple check everything. also i saw that greddy came out with some replacement oil lines that r a bit more sturdier.
btw sorry bout ur car, glad ur ok. cars a car, it can be replaced and u got another chance to modify ur next car correctly and safely. best of luck to u.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah insurance fraud, add that to your list of accomplishments.
do you think the insurance company WON'T send an adjuster or inspector to see the car? the fire department was involved, and according to that picture, so were the police. now you have at least one of those making a report about the incident. i'm sure he'll get a payout, but not for the aftermarket stuff.
use your head.
btw sorry bout ur car, glad ur ok. cars a car, it can be replaced and u got another chance to modify ur next car correctly and safely. best of luck to u.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah insurance fraud, add that to your list of accomplishments.
do you think the insurance company WON'T send an adjuster or inspector to see the car? the fire department was involved, and according to that picture, so were the police. now you have at least one of those making a report about the incident. i'm sure he'll get a payout, but not for the aftermarket stuff.
use your head.