Ok first i've searched, but there's so much stuff on here it's hard to filter through to the answers i want, if they're even there.

well i considering boosting my jdm b18c5. what i would like to know (as my turbo knowleadge is weak) and you guys clerly have it sorted is;

1.) can i still rev upto 8500 on any turbo?
2.) what's the best turbo size and boost to use to make approx 70 extra at the fly?
3.) can i use a simple bolt on kit for only 70 extra hp at the fly or will i need to upgrade internals? if so...what?
4.) I need it to be reliable and a daily driver henc why i'm not after or expecting 300whp, maybe 240 would be enough for me.
5.) do i have to drop the CR as i have the jdm 96 R's have a higher CR?
6.) could you recommend any kits that would suit the spec above?
7.) would a power FC or Greddy Emanage handle boost ok?

basically i don't relly want to be changin CR's and internals as i'm not after bog boost, just a little more to play with so if poss i just want a simple bolt on kti for a few horse, but i know R's CR are always a prob cos they're high.


thanks, in advance!


Modified by OreoVsTheDead at 1:57 AM 4/1/2005

 

A good kit for somebody new to turbos would be the http://www.full-race.com kits. It's all preassembled and prefabricated. It will probably only need a few minor modifications to fit onto your car. The stage 1 kit has a turbo that will be able to get you up to your power goals pretty easy. Since you are not looking to make a lot of power, you should get a small wastegate spring like a 0.4 bar or even a 0.3 bar spring. That will limit the amount of boost you have, which limits the amount of power you get.

You'll still need some form of engine management and larger fuel injectors and fuel pump (and a few other minor things). But this kit takes care of all the work needed to assemble a turbo setup. You should see what engine management would work best for you. See if anyone in the local area can tune either of the following: Apexi Power FC, Hondata, Uberdata, or Crome. The last two are sort of "do it yourself" type engine management systems which you can tune yourself. But it always helps to have a local persoin that can help you get started.

Now as far as the engine internals go, you should plan on getting it built sometime in the future. I dont know if a set of aftermarket low compression pistons and rods will drop right into a B series, cause I dont know a whole lot about B series internals (I know more about H series).

http://www.full-race.com/catal...id=36

 

Oh yah, forgot to mention you'd probably want to look into a T04E 60 trim 60 a/r turbo with a T3 0.63 a/r turbine. You should have no problems revving it up to 8500 RPM's. And if you decide that you want to make more power the that turbo should be able to support up to 400-450 HP.

 

thanks man.

 

will i HAVE to drop the CR tho do you know?

 

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I guess you dont have to but it's a good idea to do so. If you're only going to be running 5-6 PSI and your tuner knows what they are doing then you *might* be fine. It's just with a slightly higher CR you will have a smaller margin for error. You should do some research on turboing JDM B18C's Sir-G's and Spec-R's with stock CR's. See what kind of problems people are having with tuning on those higher CR motors.

 

if you want 70 extra hp., a full-race kit would be a drasticly more than u need. and a t04e 60 trim would be major overkill also. that turbo will support over 500 hp. u want 240. a turbo of that size is so oversized for that power goal, it would lag until 4000-4500 rpm's. doesn't seem like much fun to me.

get a t3 that will spool faster and make that 70 hp quick. call whoever your ordering the turbo from, tell them your horsepower goals and see which turbo they suggest.

no u won't need to drop your compression. go to a reliable shop and tune the car conservatively. no more than your wanting it shouldn't be a problem. 440 injectors would do u fine for fuel. and yes an emange would work well on your car, for your power limits. but few people use them, so few are experienced with them.

telling someone to go with a full-race kit with a 60 trim t04e and hondata to make 70 hp. is absolutely idiotic.

 

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Now that was kinda uncalled for...

I dont know how many people I've seen go with a straight T3 on their B16 or B18C only to regret it later down the road and go with something bigger. A T3/T4 can also make the power he is looking for AND it has room to upgrade. And that's the reason I didn't suggest a T3. I dont want him cursing my name a few months after the install when he isn't happy with the high end performance of a small T3.

 

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I was actually thinking about suggesting the GT28RS kit, but I thought that it might have been a tad bit expensive. He didn't really specify a budget though so I dunno, maybe he can afford it.

 

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I agree 95% Full-Race is WAY overkill for you!
If you are only looking for 250HP than lowering the compression would not be a must but would help out in reliability area. Since you shooting for lower power I would go with a simple thicker head gasket to lower the compression just a bit and a smaller turbo like a sc50 or sc32 from precision even a straight t3.
I personally dont like the emanage but the power FC would definitely work well for you. If you are near a NEPTUNE tuner I would look into that option as well. Since you are not going to need to adjust the map yourself it should be just the thing for you and its surprisingly well priced. Also I can tell you any tuner you find tuning Neptune will be a competent one. Some other options would be Hondata, AEM EMS, Urberdata, Motec, and more.
You will definitely still be able to rev to 8500. (Dont for get to setup a rev limiter )

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I also agree, I suggest Going to lovefab.com and getting a Mini-me mani from Cody. Pick up a GT30 from "b18civic" or "the shodan". ALso get a Hondata setup and a few other things and you will be way better off. These guys i metioned above will help you with everything else you need

Why i chose these things is because although not cheap they are quality parts that will fill his initial goal and his next goal. Most importantly he will do it the right way because really that motor is way to badass to throw a bunch of **** on. And everyone can save money by putting together a kit them selves other than paying a company for a premade kit$$$

 

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If you compare the costs of the parts and labor for the FR kit and add up how much it would cost to buy them seperate they come out almost equal. Not only that the kit has all the top quality parts for it. I think the Peakboost kits are like that too, but not 100% sure. Now a kit like DRAG or FMAX is a different story, cause with those there are a lot of substandard parts.

EDIT: and remember, I think he said he was still fairly new to turbos. So maybe piecing together his own kit might not be a good idea. Dont want him to end up getting mismatched parts or stuff that has to be reworked to get to fit together.

 

I believe reading up on HT and asking the right ?'s can save him money on a quality kit. remember peakboost and fullrace kits are not cheap. I am sure he can piece a kit together here with new and used parts and come up with something very nice as long as he is takes his time and studies up on what to use. Of course this is no knock on these kits, because both are infact great choices and if he has the money and does not care then one of these kits is a great way to go. I just want him to know that it is not that complicated to build a kit and he can do it

 

this is great, thanks for the help everyone. A few things i didn't mention is that I haven't got a massive budget and I have been thinking baout peicing a kit together bit by bit every month.

I've also been thinking about power and I think i'd like to have the option to run higher boost in the future or be able to re/tune change a few parts to maybe make some real big power later on or next year. At the same tiem i don't want a mother of a turbo that spools up near vtec as that kinda defeats the point of the turbo, as i want more torque low down where i haven't got any.

is it worth getting turbos off low mile scrappy cars like skylines at all or is that not recommened. I want to save as much as possible and search out the right parts cheap. Also i don't want to be putting on cheap ebay crap that dosen't work 'cos it's cheap. thanks again!

 

People use turbos off of OEM turbo cars all the time. You can use one of those and run it for a short while.

Just thought I'd point out the obvious though. You say you have a small budget, but by going with a small setup now and later upgrading to a bigger setup you end up spending more in the long run. What I had suggested earlier was basically getting the bigger setup and just running it for both your lower and your higher, future power goals.

But if you insist on getting a small turbo for the initial setup then later on a bigger turbo then choose your parts carefully. You can get your initial setup and make sure the minor parts will work with your future setup. Things like the IC and piping, and all the little itt bitty stuff, like oil lines, etc. Then you wanna look at what type of manifold you can buy that can work for both your small turbo and future larger turbo. This way you can keep the same manifold and save money. So that means at the minimum all you would have to change out in the future is the actual turbo with maybe some minor adjustments being made to the piping between the compressor outlet and IC inlet. Try to find a manifold and DP setup that you can use with both a straight T3 and a T3/T4 that you think you might use in the future. If you can retain the same DP that also saves you money. A DP costs about $250-350 for parts and welding labor. Look for an IC setup that will also work with both setups. You wouldn't want to get a T3 with say the turbine on the driver side, and then later on upgrade to a setup that places the turbine on the passenger side. Doing so could might make it harder for you to use your existing IC and piping.


Anyways, I think you get the idea.

 

just a heads up if your block is stamped b18c5 its usdm, all jdm type r's will be stamped b18c.
besides that I have a 96 spec type r boosting 9psi for a while now no problems,. but Ive decided to work the bottom end to lower the compression ratio to push some real boost to put down some real horsepower.
for what you are looking for the following kits will work great, are easy to install, and are cheap (2,400-3,200 bucks) their in order of good to better.
greddy kit, f max turbonetics kit, drag kit, rev hard kit. Ive seen a few b series running the power fc setup, I personaly run hondata but, its up to you. (hondata now offers thier datalogging and 3 step rev limiter for free with the base models., 50 bucks if you bought it prior to the new deal)

my best advice to give you is research for a couple of months before you even think about buying a kit. I make sure I have all the hidden cost figured out before I jump in it.

 

yeah, i'm gonna research the mother good before i do anything. there's obviously so much to know about boosting cars and i only know very basic stuff. i have a freind with a drag kit on her ITR which seems pretty decent. That's a T3 turbine.