I am currently looking for a 02- 03 Si and was wounderin if anyone could tell me a couple of things:

If you have one, What do you think of it?

I know a lot of people don't like the new style, they say "It looks like a bus" WHAT! were the hell did you get bus. Thats a tight lookin bus i want to see one of those. And if it looks like anything i would say a Rollie Pollie, but I love the way they look.

Speed wise, What does it compare to stock?
Whats its top speed?
How does it compare to the 2000 Si?

I was readin the annoyin things about them, and those seem to bee all things that you can deal with, all cars have things like that.

Anything else i should know before i go by one?

The k20a3 not a problem cause i want to go k20a anyways.

Thanks

 

Actually, I like the Si's. Esspecially when body kit and rims are applied. As for the performance, the 00Si has more I think as for the vtec kick is concerned, BUT other than that, just get used to the shifter placement and you're all good! YOu know though, a turbo kit would give you more than a swap and cost less. AND the A3 is a really great motor to boost too! Just something to digest

 

try to see if you can find an 04, so you don't have to do 5 lug swaps, that's ofcourse only if you can get the 04 cheaper than 02-03+ 5 lug swap. And I heard 04s are the best of EP3s. '00 Sis are old school and they are around the same price as EP3. It's also hard to find one with low miles too. No doubt you'll love the EP3 tho.

 

i love the car. the suspension thing is annoying till they get the tierod end thing figured out but then it should be "allll gravy baby". it didnt take me any time to get use to the shifter at all. speed wise,...well.....if u are goin k20a u shouldnt be concerned at all. but,...i can tell u this, i have done a few stop light races against two GSR's and i have beat them by at least a car length until we let off in 3rd. protege' 5 has also had a run,....ep3 took it out too!,...........there is wind noise in the cabin that drives me nuts....but its a civic not a benz. i love it personally but...........there are steering rack issues with 02-03 which hasnt plagued mine yet so that might want to be something u look at as far as getting an 04 or newer.

 

I didnt dislike the old Si, but i am one of those querky guys who really like hatch backs and wagon. I have enjoyed my ep3 from day one and I have waiting through the winter to start modding it, with a tuned suspension and better tyres it should really go. The car is not grossly underpowered as it comes from Honda, a little handing help and this car is a go getter. If you decide to make more power with bolts ons, a swap or fi the ep3 will be a monster of a car.

 

the reason i dont want an 04 or up is cause i want to do a type-r conversion and i don't like the front bumper on the 04s. I don't like those little circles in the front. I also do like the tail lights as much, and the headlights have a little bubble look or something and im not feelin it as much.
I want to go all motor, I don't know why but its just something that i like. I don't know the exact set up that i am goin for but i want to do something like a K20A with Individual throttle bodies

Is the K20A at peak performance or is there more work to be done? (besides intake, exhaust, computer)

Thanks

 

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I want to go all motor, I don't know why but its just something that i like. I don't know the exact set up that i am goin for but i want to do something like a K20A with Individual throttle bodies

Is the K20A at peak performance or is there more work to be done? (besides intake, exhaust, computer)

Thanks
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you can put the 02-03 type r front bumper without any modifications on the 04 and you can also swap the 04 taillights for an 02-03, plus you will have more wheels to choose from on the 04, because of the 5lug!

visit ephatch.com!

 

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... plus you will have more wheels to choose from on the 04, because of the 5lug!
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Are you sure about that? I've never been able to understand why people say that, considering the plethora of wheel designs in 4x100, and considering how many cars are produced with a 4x100 bolt pattern.

If you own a Type R or an RSX, then maybe it'd make sense to want to be able to put your Spoon 5x114 on either vehicle, but other than than I don't know why everybody runs around doing five bolt conversions.

 

Can't you get a lot bigger brakes with the 5-lug?

 

Why would you think that? Lug pattern has ZERO to do with the brakes. There are a lot better wheels in the 4x100 size. Most of the lightweight, performance-oriented wheels are made with 4x100, especially if you like old school wheels like SSR, Weds, RegaMaster, etc.

Go with an 03. They are a lot cleaner looking and not so ricey in the interior and exterior like the 04+.

 

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Yeah, but, why? Sure, the USDM RSX Type S front brakes are bigger, and sure the DC5 Type R Brembo brakes can apply more torque...but...<u>why</u> do you need that?

• In the first place, you're not going to get fading on the track with good brake pads and good brake fluid.

• You only need enough braking force to be able to lock up the wheels with R compounds...and the OEM brakes do just fine w/this, assuming a normal student driver.

Sure...if you're on 225-section Hoosiers and you're in a race situation, you might want bigger brakes. I think that most people spending the money for "bigger" brakes on the EP3 have absolutely no use for it whatsoever.



Sorry to be the wet blanket.

 

No thats cool cause there is no use spendin money on things if you dont really need them.

What do you guys think are the best size wheels to get?

I like the way they look with 18s, but i heard you get mor performance and comfort with 17s

 

17s are the way to go. I will never put 18s on my EP3 personally. But if you want to see how 18s look, go Grab May Issue of Modefied Mag, it features K20A EP3 with gold 18s on it. If you want how 17s look go here&gt;&gt; https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1181659

 

I currently have an 02 si (for sale actually) and they only thing that i do not like about it is interior noise. There is not alot of dampening material put in these cars (although it saves weight) which makes it a bit noisy. I also have an is300 which is the quietest ride i have ever been in, so i have a tainted opinion. Other than that, the car is awesome. I love the feel of the shifter also. I have not experienced this 2nd gear grinding problem so i can not comment on that.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1174190

 

Correct me if im wrong, but doenst the A3 NOT have vtec?

EPs look nice if they're done up properly .. otherwise stock looking eps look

 

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It has an intelligent dynamic timing that works to provide torque at very low speeds by altering ignition and camshaft timing at all RPM. Only one cam has dual lobes.

Since only one cam has two sets of lobes, people will say that it's not "really" VTEC.

Whatever.

 

This age of VTEC does not have the "kick" of previous versions, but it does have vtec.

 

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VTEC crossover should be smooth and linear anyways, but thats another thread

The K20a, k20a2, k20z1, has the m4d vtek1! you are all used to.

 

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Honestly, a lot of what was perceived as the VTEC "kick" in the old days was actually the secondary intake runners opening up.

 

I really like my si. And the "bus" look goes away when you drop it. Plus, it drives a lot better that the older civics (smoother). When I first bought mine, I drove from LA to KC and couldn't get over the ride quality. If you're going to slap a K20A in it, props to you because you can pick up EP3s cheap because of their resale value.

 

i am thinking about buying an ep3 too. Would anyone take the ep3 over a 94 cx with a b16a? And why?

 

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Except for all-out track use, yes, I would take the EP3 over the EG w/the B16.

Same horsepower with more torque and better fuel economy (better driveability), more comfortable and better HVAC.

 

i agree with george. if it's a daily driver, definitely get the ep3.

 

What about the weight? Does it hurt handling,braking, ect.?

 

I'll venture an opinion re the '02s. I have one of those. I also have an '05. I've also owned lots of other Honda automobiles over the last twenty years or so.

My first thought is: What are your expectations? If you want to street race, you're not going to like this car. Yes, you can mod the hell out of it, but then you'll have an unreliable Honda that's still not particularly fast. Along those same lines, if you bang the transmission from gear to gear, you'll ruin the synchomesh in no time flat. This website and several others are chock full of posts written by those who refused to believe that EP3s have mechanical limitations, like any other car. They now hate their car -- or Honda or some dealership -- because they beat the hell out of it and something broke. Gee, what a surprise.

On the other hand, if you are looking for a car that's damn cheap to buy, has top quality features (have you taken a good look at the OEM seats, for example?), gets decent mileage, and is dirt reliable if you don't beat on it, you'll discover the EP3 is as good a Honda as any other.

One other thing: Unless you are clairvoyant, you'll have no way of knowing how the prior owner drove the car you're interested in. So, unless to buy your Si from a Honda dealer who'll give you sort of warranty, get it checked out by someone who really knows Hondas.