Just curious, I know I'm "e-racing" but I just thought I'd ask a few of you guys. What do you think of an 02 DC5-s with i/e short shifter, and springs with some sticky tires against an 00 si with i/im/em/e? Just wanted to get some opinions before my friend lines up with this guy who thinks his si is god's gift to the honda world. I know they can be quick but how do they match up?

 

si is garbage....i use to bang on them all day with my old civic, they would only catch up in third tho but by then we ran outta space....i knoe for shure that the type s would win....ez

 

my friend's type S(just CAI and CAT Exhaust) literally killed the Si with (intake,exhaust,header, possibly cam gears, and some sticky stuff). I am pretty sure you friend will take him that is ofcourse assuming he's same or better skilled driver.

 

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he would prob still kill him if he were miss 2nd...heh

 

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he would prob still kill him if he were miss 2nd...heh</TD></TR></TABLE>

it could happen , that si has no tq.

 

so 3rd is their power gear? The only thing that worried me and my freind is that the si is like 150 lbs lighter. But if you guys are sure about it, then I'm all in! Thanks for the support and I'll let you know how it goes.

 

That DC5 will take him no doubt...Assuming the driver is good...I raced a Type-S twice one night...He had I/E...From a roll, I pulled damn good on him...The 2nd run from a dig and we were side by side till 3rd when my car started inching away...I had shitty tires then too...

 

RSX

 

I wouldn't under estimate the Si abilities! Mod for mod the rsx is faster but the b16a is an amazing motor. I would personally have put my Si up against an rsx. Granted I had skunk2 cams, and a ton of tuning, but it PULLED HARD up top and I believe after driving both cars it would have given an rsx a run for its money...

Here are some dash vids and a dyno vid I took shortly before the car was stolen:

RIGHT CLICK SAVE AS!

On the dyno:

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/mf...7.AVI

0-60ish

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/mf...3.AVI

2nd-3rd

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/mf...4.AVI

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by v00tecsi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldn't under estimate the Si abilities! Mod for mod the rsx is faster but the b16a is an amazing motor. I would personally have put my Si up against an rsx. Granted I had skunk2 cams, and a ton of tuning, but it PULLED HARD up top and I believe after driving both cars it would have given an rsx a run for its money...

Here are some dash vids and a dyno vid I took shortly before the car was stolen:

RIGHT CLICK SAVE AS!

On the dyno:

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/mf...7.AVI

0-60ish

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/mf...3.AVI

2nd-3rd

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/mf...4.AVI</TD></TR></TABLE>


type s with race header, intake, exhaust, & k pro&gt; all motor b16

 

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type s with race header, intake, exhaust, & k pro&gt; all motor b16</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah with k-pro...Who said anything about hondata? He said the rsx had i/e not k-pro.

Also I have seen plenty of all motor b16a's in the 13's so I wouldnt be so bold to say that any rsx with k-pro can beat every all motor b16a. High 13's, low 14's are great numbers considering the lack of mods needed to get the rsx there, but don't underestimate a properly built b16a. The rsx is great, but its not the fastest honda every built.

 

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Also I have seen plenty of all motor b16a's in the 13's so I wouldnt be so bold to say that any rsx with k-pro can beat every all motor b16a. High 13's, low 14's are great numbers considering the lack of mods needed to get the rsx there, but don't underestimate a properly built b16a. The rsx is great, but its not the fastest honda every built.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Yeah, B16a's in a lighter chassis, but it takes A LOT to get a b16a in a 99-00 Civic Si in the 13's. It can be done, but normal bolt-ons won't do this.

Equally modded RSX-S vs 99-00 Si, the RSX-S is gonna walk all over it.

 

a b16 is an amazing engine, when its built correctly. However stock or with just bolt-ons its still slow. The b16 is great for free high reving because of the shorter stroke and can be deadly attached to a proper turbo.

Comparing a K20A2 to a B16 is not fair at all. Apples to oranges. The k has demonstrated great power and responsiveness to bolt-ons but don't forget it's predecessor the b and how great it was in it's day (and still is).

Back to the topic.

The S will easily walk the si from a dig, roll, whatever. I'd give the S a 2 car lengths from 60-100. It should pull in any gear.

 

the si will lose believe me i know when i had my si i raced a s with an intake and i had an intake and he **** on me! but!!! i raced a s on the highway and i was right there with him and all i had was the i/ no axle back and good tires

 

what type of skunk 2 cams did u hav

 

Stage 1's...

Im not saying that mod for mod an Si can compare to an rsx-s. I'm simply saying that an Si with simular mods to mine against an rsx-s with just bolt ons (NOT HONDATA) would be a damn close race. Anyone who can't swallow that just needs to realize that a bolt on rsx-s without hondata is still a mid-high 14 second car, which is easily obtained by a properly built and tuned b16a with mild cams (stage 1 cams)

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Believe me, I KNOW because I owned both cars...00 si with stage 1 skunk2 cams, and now an 05 rsx-s (which is even faster then the 02-04)

 

So let me get this straight, an S with i/e will beat an Si with i/im/e.man/cat back? Sounds good. My friend ed has been busy so this hasn't gone down yet but when both schedules don't conflict it's on! I'll let you know how it goes. All my friends and the other guys should be meeting up at the track soon. I think I already said this though, but what about the weight differences. The Si is like 200 lbs lighter, right? what about the hp to the wheels? The Si should put down like 160 to the wheels right?(with the mods listed) The S should be around 180?(with mods listed) The tq is a different story all together I'm sure. What's the Si rated at as for tq? Just tryin' to put it all in perspective. There's some decent $$$$ on the line, like $600. It's not like we're just doin' this for the fun factor!

 

The rsx SHOULD win if the driver can drive well at the track. Personally I would never put 600 on any race that can go either way with a slight error on either end. Like I said though, bolt on for bolt on the rsx will come out on top (with equal drivers) however, if you start adding internals to the b16 the gap will close very quickly!

 

my friend has an rsx-s with intake and header, i have a 00' si with ctr cams i/h/e and its just no contest. 2 liter &gt; 1.6 liter hands down. while b16's are very potent motors for their size....there really is no replacement for displacement

 

what kind of ecu are you using? Was the car tuned? How much power are you putting down?

An Si with Stage 1 cams, i/h/e and tuning is more then capable of high 14's. Sorry to **** on everyones parade but an rsx with just bolt ons is still a mid-high 14 second car. So it's a drivers race and can go either way.

 

The b16 is a good motor .. but come on you cant compare that to the k20. Granted it CAN go either way but it should go to the dc5 no doubt.

 

ya i got an 00si w/ i/e kyb agx and rota's. long story short the S will win. 2.0L vs 1.6 w/ no torque just outmatched until upgraded internals or boost.