Are the 1991-1993 integra GSRs as fast as the 1994-2001 integras? I know the GSRs dating from 1991-1993 are B17A1 (right?) and not B18C1 like the newer integras from '94-'01.

Which ones will be faster of the two model GSRs? Thanks

 

The B17A 92-93 GSRs (there is no GSR in 90-91) are pretty quick. I would say that they are comparable to the B18C1 powered GSR from 94-01. They are both mid-15s to low-15 second 1/4 mile cars, just like the Del Sol VTEC and the 99-00 Civic Si. I would say that all of the Honda built DOHC VTEC cars made in the 90s are all very similar in terms of straight line performance (1/4 mile times, hp, tq, etc) and that which car is faster would all depend on driver and additional mods.

 

i actually beleive that '94 is the fastest year out of all of the GS-R models but thats the b18c1's i am not sure about 90-93 or w/e it was

 

i live for the 1.8L gsr instead of the 1.7L...thats my opinion.

think the 94+ has just a very little more torque, stock wise.

 

fast in what way? simple accleration... a b17 may not be able to keep up with a larger displacement b18c... but only slightly.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MSchu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">fast in what way? simple accleration... a b17 may not be able to keep up with a larger displacement b18c... but only slightly. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i feel he's right

 

I think the real issue is do you want a car that has lots of aftermarket parts available (94+) or one that's more unique (92-93)?

Due to the level of aftermarket support, the B18C is the better choice for speed - regardless of how close they run out of the box.

 

I know the 94/95 GS-R's are a lot faster than the 96 and newer GS-R's
because of the OBD1 vs OBD2 systems
I know this cause i have a 95 and my bro and dad have 00, 01 GS-R's

by the way I am selling mine 95 GS-R $7000
120,000 miles in San Diego
I visit LA regularly if anyone there is interested

 

$7K for a 95 with 120K? Thats damn pricey.

Anyway I thought OBD1 and 2 is just custom potential, but stock shouldn't they be equal?

 

Actually...every 0-60 time i've ever seen for the gen 2 gsr's is faster than the 0-60 times i've seen for the 3rd gens. Thier speed advantage seems to taper off a little in the quartermile but still a little faster than the gen 3's. Car and drive did a quick write up on 93 Gsr a while back and they claimed it to be the best (and fastest) integra made...minus the type R

 

1993 Acura Integra GS-R 6.5 15.2
1994 Acura Integra GS-R 7.1 15.5

 

if I was to say why <U>I believe it would be because the weight diffrence</U>

 

The DA integras are lighter, hence faster times.
In terms of DC integras, they are all the same speed assuming all the same variables. OBD2 does not make the car faster or slower, it all had to do with emmisions. From the factory with 0 miles the cars will run the same because tey are the same weight. Variables include options and other equiptment installed on the cars in later years.
The b17 also had a transmission with shorter gear ratios than that of the b18c1.
More torque on the b18c1, but not by much.

 

honda was actually sued over some obd 1 ecus and maybe some early 2s as the emissions functions didnt work as required by law. Ive raced the obd 1 cars and driven a few and i think the tuning is a little different and i know they are faster than my 96 stock to stock. I would like to see someone with boltons run at the track and then switch to obd1 and see if there is really a difference, only way to know for sure. In an old import tuner (i have all of them)they were having problems on a obd2 gsr and used a conversion harness and switched to obd1 and it made quite a difference. IM looking for the article now.

 

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1994 Acura Integra GS-R 7.1 15.5
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Hahahaha.... this is suposed to be a secret.


Zoom Zoom Zoom...bum diddy bum

 

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Engine condition has a lot to do with that performance.

Compare a newly rebuilt B17a and a newly rebuilt B18c1 if you want real results.

 

Look up the weight difference for the gen 2 integra vs. the gen 3 integra, i think you'd be pretty surprised at what you find. With their weights being almost identical and the gen 2 having less bhp, i'm gonna have to guess it just has better gearing and a more efficient drivetrain...it's always been a bit of a mystery to me why there were faster

 

i love the short gears of the b17.....

 

Yeah pretty sure the weight thing is out of the question. The second generations are bigger than the third generations I thought.

As for which is faster, I would have to say the B18C1 just because it has more torque and more horsepower. But honestly it comes down to the driver and tires and other setup, you would only notice that power difference at higher speeds (100+mph).

 

My step dad has a 92 gsr with about 20K on the odometer (less than my 30K on my 00 gsr). I had the same question when I got my 00 gsr. The 3rd gen is faster, despite the 2nd gen having gearing slightly better than an itr. Look at these FACTS

92gsr = 2643lbs, 160hp, 117lbs-ft
94gsr = 2667lbs, 170hp, 128lbs-ft
00si = 2600lbs, 160hp, 111lbs-ft

With everything being equal, the 3rd gen GSR is faster than an si, so I think a good conclusion would be it is faster than a 2nd gen gsr as well.

 

have you ever raced your dad? then switched cars and raced again? all the numbers I have been able to find from tests indicate that the G2 is slightly quicker than the G3, regardless of weight. from what I can find, the G3 GSR transmission seems to be geared relatively close to an LS, while the G2 is significantly shorter.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlackSage &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My step dad has a 92 gsr with about 20K on the odometer (less than my 30K on my 00 gsr). I had the same question when I got my 00 gsr. The 3rd gen is faster, despite the 2nd gen having gearing slightly better than an itr. Look at these FACTS

92gsr = 2643lbs, 160hp, 117lbs-ft
94gsr = 2667lbs, 170hp, 128lbs-ft
00si = 2600lbs, 160hp, 111lbs-ft

With everything being equal, the 3rd gen GSR is faster than an si, so I think a good conclusion would be it is faster than a 2nd gen gsr as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think the 94 GSR was about 2637 lbs. The 98+ have that 35lb bar under the rear seat added for side impact.

 

My 95 LS weighed in at 2500 even with no driver.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by strikeback03 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have you ever raced your dad? then switched cars and raced again? all the numbers I have been able to find from tests indicate that the G2 is slightly quicker than the G3, regardless of weight. from what I can find, the G3 GSR transmission seems to be geared relatively close to an LS, while the G2 is significantly shorter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is exactly what i find. I've done countless searches on the internet for the times of the gen 2 gsr's and everywhere i've looked shows the gen 2's to be faster. I'm guessing it has to be the shorter, more agressive gearing. And for the guy that just spit out the weight and hp stats for the gen 2 teg, gen 3 teg, and SI... there's so much more to actual acceleration times than just weight and hp. You have to take into account different drivetrain losses and different gearings for every single car. And for the last time, the gen 2 and gen 3 are just about dead even in weight so that is not even a factor in this.

 

i hear on this forum alot that the 94-95 gsr's are the fastest but im not sure, is this true? obd1 or something i ono