need sum help from you guys: my friend has a 94 gsr w a t3/t4 turbonetics turbo kit, custom 2.5 inch turbo back exhaust, hes gettin a hondata kit in a week r 2, and bout everything else you can list. hes put around 7k+ in his motor. i have a 92rs, what can i do to somewhat keep up w him, I'm tired of being left bhind in the dust. i was thinkin an H22 then sum1 told me bout the ls vtec, i need help!!!!! i only wanna put bout 6k tops in the engine. i dont need to beat him, just wanna kinda keep up. what shud i do??? (i dont want nething really high maintenance tho)

 

If you dont want high maintance jsut go with the H22, LS/V has to be bilt jsut right in order to have any relibality, but even then it is not th same as a stok engine.

Or or with the K20, that is a nice motor also!

 

I would try to find a good b18c5 and just do that. I've never done a H22 or a K20 but i have heard their a pain. ls/vtec can be a good swap but its more of a crap shoot b/c of the way you have to get everything aligned. However if you do find a good match you'll save yourself a little bit of money and can get a turbo or a sc to keep up with him pretty well

 

ive been doin sum research bout the H22 and the only downside to that is, no one makes motor mounts for the swap. so thats alot of cuttin and weldin. if i had a 94+ it wud be simple but my years just a bitch i guess. i was just thinkin bout puttin a 94+ gsr engine in her. is their a place were you can find totaled cars and get the engine & stuff 4 cheep. i no my buddy got a corvette engine 4 like 3k and put it in his 56chev, and it works great. also if i got an engine off e-bay r sumwere do they usually *** w a warranty, i dont wanna get it installed and have it not work r be a pile. also is it possible that a H22 mite fill up the whole engine bay and i wudnt have enough room 4 a turbo or s.c.????

 

find an ls block bore it to a 2.0 and slap a gsr head on it with a b16 tranny, I H E, order some itr pistons. skunk2 stage2 cams, springs, retainers have the head ported, bottom-end balanced, skunk2 intake manifold, hondata, get some cam gears then have it tuned. ive seen some well built ls-vtecs smash the **** out of turbo cars, and they still get better gas mileage and if N/A isnt ur thing build a ls-turbo.

 

mmmm..... K20

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1SiKDA8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive been doin sum research bout the H22 and the only downside to that is, no one makes motor mounts for the swap. so thats alot of cuttin and weldin. if i had a 94+ it wud be simple but my years just a bitch i guess. i was just thinkin bout puttin a 94+ gsr engine in her. is their a place were you can find totaled cars and get the engine & stuff 4 cheep. i no my buddy got a corvette engine 4 like 3k and put it in his 56chev, and it works great. also if i got an engine off e-bay r sumwere do they usually *** w a warranty, i dont wanna get it installed and have it not work r be a pile. also is it possible that a H22 mite fill up the whole engine bay and i wudnt have enough room 4 a turbo or s.c.????</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your 92 DA won't take an H22 without those custom mounts. There is not a ton of these swaps done since the outcome is not equal to the work required. Also your car will not take a K engine unless that company I read about finally made them.

If you want "right out of the box" reliability stick with looking for a B18C5. That is not to say you can't build a CR/VTEC, or LS/VTEC to be reliable, but it takes some skills for that.

 

981sskunk--wudnt that be high maintenance?? what wud i run the 1/4 w that set up?? wud it be smarter just to do a complete swap??? thanks 4 everybodys feedback, the good advice is appreciated!! iam not sure if the setup 981sskunk told me wud beat his gsr, hell be pushin bout 400 atw?? will i ever stand a chance??? 1SikTEG if ur readin this, u suk, but dont worry ill beat u sumday, sumhow..... hopefully

 

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some people say lsvtecs are high maitence. its not true there is problems with reliablity, if you build an lsvtec right (having the internals and crank balanced, silicone injected bearings, maybe a girdle kit if you plan on reving over 9k) then the maitence is no different from any other motor. most people tend to slap vtec head and an ls block together and rev it to 95k, then it blows up. so they get pissed about the all money they wasted and state that lsvtecs are unreliable.

 

hell, i dont need to rev 9k, that ***** overrated. just want sumthin to keep up w him so when were fukin w cars, i can actually stay w him and not back w all the grocery-getters, when im dun i want the sleeper look. sounds like i have sum thinkin to do. its just gunna be a summer car, so its not like if sumthin happens i cant get around, so i guess it can be a little high maitence. so, from what im gettin from ur feed back is that an H22 is ok, the lsvtec can be ok if its built rite and the b18c5 is pretty decent "out of the box". more choices, fun, fun... one last question, what the best bang 4 the buck???

 

Go turbo, probably your best bang for the buck.


Modified by simon98h22 at 4:56 PM 3/21/2005

 

I think if you can get the h22 to fit, go with that. Its a fairly cheap swap. My guy did it for about $2500-$3000. You'd be surprised how good it pulls . And then you can use the money saved to build it up or maybe even slap on a turbo.

 

My friend who is mechanic finished his ls/vtec about 6 months ago.It was allegedly done right.About 3 weeks ago immediatly after he sold the car the person warped the head.I also know someone who was a tech at acura who built a few ls/vtecs(the right way) and the most he got out of each was a year tops.Most likely if youre all motor youre not gonna keep up with a boosted gsr.(i have one)hehe maybe k-series can do some damage.IMO get a b18c1 and a zex 50 shot h/i/e and youre runnin fairly safe and youll possibly keep up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastacura99 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think if you can get the h22 to fit, go with that. Its a fairly cheap swap. My guy did it for about $2500-$3000. You'd be surprised how good it pulls . And then you can use the money saved to build it up or maybe even slap on a turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I heard Hasport was the only company to make mounts for the H22 into a G2 but I checked their website and there's no mention of it.

Decide if you want an NA or an FI application and go from there.

Personaly ? I'd get a B18B1 or a B18C1(if you can afford it) and boost it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1SiKDA8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hell, i dont need to rev 9k, that ***** overrated. just want sumthin to keep up w him so when were fukin w cars, i can actually stay w him and not back w all the grocery-getters, when im dun i want the sleeper look. sounds like i have sum thinkin to do. its just gunna be a summer car, so its not like if sumthin happens i cant get around, so i guess it can be a little high maitence. so, from what im gettin from ur feed back is that an H22 is ok, the lsvtec can be ok if its built rite and the b18c5 is pretty decent "out of the box". more choices, fun, fun... one last question, what the best bang 4 the buck???</TD></TR></TABLE>

You will get a lot of opinions about what you should go with, many are just going to blurt out what they like. IE - K series swap. Ks and DAs don't mix. Similar is the Hs that "can" be put into a DA, but tend to make them a "little" nose heavy.

You mentioned that you only want to be able to "keep up" and be reliable. Reliable... maybe. But "keep up".... Well that is not going to happen with any N/A B18C5, H22, or LS/VTEC. You won't get left like you are now, but you won't be neck -n- neck either.

Now for some reality checks for you: Street racing or "when were fukin w cars", is just plain stupid. What does it prove; you are crazier, or just dumber than the other guy. It will get you (or an inoscent bystander) killed. Take it to the track if you want bragging rights. Otherwise the mom in her mini-van driving down the street is going to freak when you come flying by and cause a pile-up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98lsskunk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">some people say lsvtecs are high maitence. its not true there is problems with reliablity, if you build an lsvtec right (having the internals and crank balanced, silicone injected bearings, maybe a girdle kit if you plan on reving over 9k) then the maitence is no different from any other motor. most people tend to slap vtec head and an ls block together and rev it to 95k, then it blows up. so they get pissed about the all money they wasted and state that lsvtecs are unreliable. </TD></TR></TABLE>

not speaking from expirience with an ls/vtec but I'm not understanding what you all mean by lsvtec being unreliable. I am gonna buy a 90 acura integra gs this friday. It has a rebuilt stock b18a. I had bought a 98 gsr head for a b series swap in my civic but scrapped the project when I found the teg. I was told to use a golden eagle lsvtec kit and nobody has told me anything about strengthening the block. I am only looking to rev up to 7.5k max anyhow. I don't think there would be anymore power after that would be worth destroying my DD.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98lsskunk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> find an ls block bore it to a 2.0 and slap a gsr head on it with a b16 tranny, I H E, order some itr pistons. skunk2 stage2 cams, springs, retainers have the head ported, bottom-end balanced, skunk2 intake manifold, hondata, get some cam gears then have it tuned. ive seen some well built ls-vtecs smash the **** out of turbo cars, and they still get better gas mileage and if N/A isnt ur thing build a ls-turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by weak16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Now for some reality checks for you: Street racing or "when were fukin w cars", is just plain stupid. What does it prove; you are crazier, or just dumber than the other guy. It will get you (or an inoscent bystander) killed. Take it to the track if you want bragging rights. Otherwise the mom in her mini-van driving down the street is going to freak when you come flying by and cause a pile-up.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Or just becareful WHERE you choose to race. In the middle of town isn't going to be as safe as a secluded, dead road. That way the only person in danger is you and the other person thats agreeing to race. (Whether it be a car wreck or getting yourself tickets.)

But yeah "f'in with people" in busy traffic on Friday and Saturday nights isn't a good idea, although half the people on here do or have done it and don't or won't admit, I mean I know I have in the past. My favorite is **** rich boys from the Oak Grove subdivision here with their GT's!

 

HEY!!!...... That was my post not weak16.

Dead road meets are still not "safe" but yea they are better. Although we all know most of these Darwin incedents start with 2 guys making eyes at eachother to start an ego contest.

 

NO H22 PLEASE. you will be too damn heavy on the turns.

go with
b16a or b18(x). n/a or turbo are both great. i personally suggest b00sting. more hp for less money.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1SiKDA8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">981sskunk--wudnt that be high maintenance?? what wud i run the 1/4 w that set up?? wud it be smarter just to do a complete swap??? thanks 4 everybodys feedback, the good advice is appreciated!! iam not sure if the setup 981sskunk told me wud beat his gsr, hell be pushin bout 400 atw?? will i ever stand a chance??? 1SikTEG if ur readin this, u suk, but dont worry ill beat u sumday, sumhow..... hopefully </TD></TR></TABLE>

I am reading this! Since you only want to spend 6 grand on your motor, you wont be staying anywhere near me! LOL. I've never heard good things about ls/vtec or cr/vtec. Dont you remember down on University when I raced that crx with a built b20/vtec? I smoked him and he thought he'd have me! He had no clue! You wont have a chance unless you turboed it, but those motors don't last long. I say you throw in that H22 that you've been wanting so bad. They do in fact make motor mounts for the H22 in your 92. Check out http://placeracing.com. Last time I checked, their site was under construction, but I know for a fact that they make them for your ride. They aren't cheap at around 500 bucks, but it'd be worth it. Then you can decide if you want to go all motor, turbo, or supercharged. Whatever you decide, I'll help you out! You are the hottest female in Minnesota rollin import! I'll hook you up, if you... ah... you know! Im only playin! Been there, done that!! Anyways, dont worry about what other people say bout the H22. If they can put it in a hatch, we can put it in your DA. Turning isnt as bad as people say, so you wont have to worry about that.

Your welcome to come with me to mugen to get my hondata tuned. I also have an NX ntercooler kit coming and they're gonna install that too! My car always looks better when I'm rollin with a good lookin chica! Let me know when you're ready to race!

 

by unreliable i mean,that when a motor is not built right it will not last long, and in some instances putting to much of a load on one will blow the damn thing up.

sorry to get the power out of most after market cams such as skunk2 stage 2s you are going to have to rev it pretty high.

if you are in doubt about building a N/A motor, turbocharge a b20 with a ls tranny and some nice aftermarket bolt-ons or somthing.

 

ok, now that i can post again today, im gunna try n wrap everything up in this 1 post, cing i only get 5 a freekin day!!!!!!!! im gunna try and write back to all who wrote me w their advice. if i missed a question im sorry.

1) wraith_G2IC--- i no a lot of people just blurt out opinions but that’s how you learn and progress. When people tell you what works for them, you can then mix all their advice 2gether and have 1 hell of a car. i dont mind being a little nose heavy and you can always just adjust ur suspension to counter the extra weight. now, a reality check from me: thanks again for the parental advice on not racin, but i think im ok in that area. Maybe i didnt clarify myself b4, and that’s my fault. When i say "****** w cars" i dont mean i **** w moms in mini vans r grandparents r anything of the sort. it means that i mess w ricers and other friends on the road. and if sum moron cant stay in their own lane when im flyin by in mine, its not my fault they dont no how to drive.


2) BlackRS--- thanks for understanding and if you read the paragraph above i clarified myself a little better on the whole racin thing. i 2 hate rich guys who pull up and wanna race, and always think that they can win for 2 reason, #1 because they have American crap and #2 cuz im a girl and im not suposta no how to drive. f* that, i grew up on a dirt track, if i can ride that i can ride nething.

3) 1SiKTEG--im goin to go w the H22!!! nand guess what, you get to help me put her in!!! arnt you lucky. ill check that site out, hopefully it will be up soon, and i dont really care how much the mounts r i want them and thats that. i like ur little "been their, dun that" sayin, ur still gettin that, so what u talkin bout, I didnt here to many complaints when i was over last nite dont think u can do nebetter either, were you gunna find a chik so into imports n every other car, who cooks n cleans for ya, that’s what I thought!!!!!!!! J neway ide luv to go w u when u tune ur car at mugen, im thinkin bout gettin that zex kit we saw in the mag the other nite, and strap that up 2 my H22. i thnk once im all dun w the motor (next summer) ill be able to keep up w u. i no ill never beat you, but ur good inspiration 4 me to keep my car up. and you no ill always be up for bin ur bitch, especially if that means I can drive in ur car w u.

 

1SiKDA8 - I knew what you meant. You roll up on one of your buddies/enemies, and then proceed to play real life GT-4. I didn't mean to infer that you are mess'n with the mini-vans.... they are the "bystanders" I mentioned. What you fail to realize is that YOUR actions have consequences. While YOU may not pay for it today, others may. I assure you; you are not that good behind the wheel..... No one is.

Sooner or later you or your buddies are going to "crash -n- burn". It has nothing to do with "parental advice"; it has to do with plain ol common sense. That, combined with loosing friends and family all because of some ignorant jackass showing off. We'll see how fast you change your tune when it hits a little closer to home.