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Old Mar 20, 2005 | 09:35 PM
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Default maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc?

Like the title says, I've never seen anything regarding this and I know that lowering a car is gonna make it impossible to get them exactly the same, but from experience, how low have you guys gone while still being close to OEM specs for caster, toe, camber, etc?
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Old Mar 20, 2005 | 10:00 PM
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For me 1" to 1.5" is where I can go low at for the limit. Any more then that I have to play with the toe in/out and camber adjustments.
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Old Mar 20, 2005 | 10:29 PM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (sleeperciv)

that's without an alignment?after an alignment would i be able to go farther and if so, how far?
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Old Mar 20, 2005 | 10:33 PM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (PA MATT)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PA MATT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that's without an alignment?after an alignment would i be able to go farther and if so, how far? </TD></TR></TABLE>

yes that's without a alignment. there's a few gurus here on HT who had their cars dropped to 2.5" and only adjusted their toe and that was it. I'm not a alignment guru because each and every car is different and respond differently to different suspension setups springs, etc...
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Old Mar 20, 2005 | 10:38 PM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (sleeperciv)

okay, well thanks for the help...I want to lower my car around 2.25-2.5 with skunk2 coils and kyb agx's, so hopefully I'll be fine after an alignment.
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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 07:18 AM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (PA MATT)

Sorry but this question is WE-TODD-DID. What do you mean by "close to OEM"? How close? You want us to give you a number? You need to give us a number!!!

BTW any drop will effect camber. Drop should not effect toe (plus toe is easily corrected) Moderate drop should not effect caster (I think - someone tell me if I am wrong here).

Most important to anyone who is dropping their Honda any amount - get the damn thing aligned would ya!!!

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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 08:16 AM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (00R101)

no need for your negative comments, I'm asking how low I can go while still being able to correct the specs with just an alignment and without a camber kit.
stay outa the thread if u have nothing positive to say
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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 08:27 AM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (PA MATT)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PA MATT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
stay outa the thread if u have nothing positive to say </TD></TR></TABLE>

Can't avoid that on a public internet forum.

I would say it would be difficult to get 2" or lower without a camber kit. The rear is easy to get away with washers, but not the front.
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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 09:30 AM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (Marauder)

I know it is, but day after day, it gets kinda old

thanks for you info, that's what I was looking for
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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 10:13 AM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (PA MATT)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PA MATT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no need for your negative comments, I'm asking how low I can go while still being able to correct the specs with just an alignment and without a camber kit.
stay outa the thread if u have nothing positive to say </TD></TR></TABLE>

But its a valid quesitons do even know the OEM spec for your car for Camber?? On MY Del sol to be in spec it can be anyer where fomr +.5 to -1.5 and be in OEM Spec, so what are you trying to do? Every car is differnt but everytime you change the suspension height you shoud get and aligment,even if you lower it just a bit, it is going to effect toe and toe is the true tire wearing adjustment. I ran with -2.0 in the front and -1.5 in the rear and got 35000 miles of life out of my tires, when they were taken off the outside tread was on the wear bars and the inside was almost bald, which was fine with me.
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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 10:30 AM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (Solracer)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PA MATT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like the title says, I've never seen anything regarding this and I know that lowering a car is gonna make it impossible to get them exactly the same, but from experience, how low have you guys gone while still being close to OEM specs for caster, toe, camber, etc?</TD></TR></TABLE>

as you said, +.5 to -1.5 is within OEM spec, thats what im looking for as i stated.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PA MATT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">okay, well thanks for the help...I want to lower my car around 2.25-2.5 with skunk2 coils and kyb agx's, so hopefully I'll be fine after an alignment. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm also planning to get an alignment as is apparent in this post....
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 08:46 PM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (PA MATT)

I have a 92 civic hatch with tokico blues and H&R race springs, which are 2.25 or 2.5 in drop, and the only way to correct my camber was with the skunk2 camber kit in the front. With the camber kit, my car was bearly in specs. I have hx rims with 185/60r14 kuhmo tires. I didnt need a camber kit on the back, everything can be adjusted within specs.
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 09:51 PM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (ALLMOTORCRX2

Well you haven't even mentioned bump steer, which should be a major concern if you're concerned about alignment change from lowering the car.

There are kits that can go a full 2 degrees positive.
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 10:24 AM
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Default Re: maximum drop while still being able to obtain close to OEM caster, toe,camber,etc? (ALLMOTORCRX2

Ok this might help... just got an alignment done yesterday on my DA

OEM spec for my car is -1.0 to + 1.0 degrees

I've lowered my car 2.0" and I've got a camber kit which adjusts +1.5 to +3.5 degrees..

at the lowest camber setting +1.5, I was able to get back into spec (-0.9 deg) so if you lower you car -2" or more you'll probably be looking at at least -2.5deg of camber (just and estimate car like others say every car reacts different when lowered..)

BTW....3 washer on each bolt in the back put me at -1.2deg (well within spec)

At -1" you won't need a camber kit.
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