Well, Ive decided to hit the 12's in the lude. Money isnt really a factor guys, so hopefully I can do this and still have the reliability of a streetable car. The other day I ran a 14.9 quarter mile, my best run yet for stock block yet. As of now the only mod to the car is a carbon fiber interior. I dont have a webcam, so as of right now I cant get you guys pics, but Ill get em up from my cousins house when I can.

Since the quarter mile run at the track the car has undergone some mods, and should be at the track soon. Ive got an AEM intake in there now, and a grounding kit (forget the brand, but does anyone know if this even does anything?) and also I have DC Headers I still need to install in there. I rechecked all my coolant, engine oil and fluids and the car is running pretty much tip-top shape. The only problem Im having is some caliper sticking that may be due to improperly installed brake pads, so Ill go back and reinstall those.

The goal of this project is to hit the 12's, hopefully without having to resort to turbos, but if it comes down to it, I guess thats what Ill have to do

Wish me luck!

 

good luck with that

 

Grounding kit does close to nothing unless your stock grounds are gone. DC headers suck. Get a SMSP header, 2.5" carsound cat, 2.5" exhaust piping. Since money isn't a factor, i'd rebuild the entire block with low compression pistons and turbo it. Turbo would be the way to go for this, really. Also, get a good suspension setup...tein flexes or something. Not sure if the zeal coilovers are streetable, but if so i've heard good things about those too. Get some lightweight wheels to decrease rotating mass. I think the NSX's aluminum calipers are lighter than the stock calipers. If so, replace those too. Strip your interior. Get a lightweight racing seat.

If money really isn't a factor...you think you could send some of it my way?

 

Lol, I wouldnt mind to, but since I want the car streetable there are a few things I want to try before resorting to full blown race car: 1. cant strip the car (my gf likes it) 2. cant turbo just yet, wanna see how far I can get.


Are you sure the DC's suck? Ive heard some good stuff, but I guess I could look into the ones you recommended. Also for suspension, I wasnt sure about Tein flexes or D2 suspension. Im somewhat leaning towards the D2's as of right now, but Tein has always been a viable option.
But for now, not resorting to turbos. I want to hit at least high 13's without em.

 

ALso elaborate on the "Grounding kit does close to nothing unless your stock grounds are gone" - Im not exactly following.

Thanks for the help guys

 

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That's what it comes down to. Or a built engine and a ton of nitrous.

Intead of buying a cheap DC header (funny a guy who says money isn't an issue buys a DC header...) buy a turbo manifold and a big-*** turbo. Pull your block, get it sleeved, new pistons, rods, etc etc..full engine management and get movin...

I hope you have about $10k kicking around...the prelude pretty much the worst car to turn into a 12 second car..it has major traction issues at high hp levels being FWD and the way the stock crossbrace is designed...

waste of money, unless you drag race full time...

 

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I'm sure theres a thread on this somewhere. Pretty much the general idea is that the original grounding is heavy enough to allow ample current through. The tiny bit of resistance you'll lose from upgrading to heavier grounds isn't really noticeable. I'm sure that SOME cars have shitty grounds and would benefit from upgraded ground wires, but the prelude isn't one of them. I had some extra 8awg wire lying around one day and redid all my grounds, it did nothing except make my engine look funky.

 

Really, you should think about this. If your goal is to run 12's and you try to build NA, what happens if you dont hit 12's, Then you decide to go turbo, you basically just wasted all that money because none of the NA parts are what you want to run turbo example. NA=2.5 inch exhaust, Turbo=3 inch exhaust Sounds a lot like lego building to me. Just boost it. If money is no object get a built block and nice turbo setup with good tunning and a good suspension.

 

I drive honda's for a living. So yeah, I do drag full time basically.

The car isnt being designed to be a drag car. I just want a fast N/A car that can hit at the least the 13's. This is the reason I dont want to resort to turbo's. I am pretty positive that hitting 13's with just motor is more than possible, and then the Nitrous should put me in the 12's. That is much more appealing to me than turbocharging. But first and foremost i would like to see where I can get with all motor/

Also the DC Headers were sent in from a friend, i didnt really order them. I still think they are good headers, but apparently they are cheap and I dont see your point in that.


And finally I do not want to run 12.0 secs. I am fine with 12.9999 for just ONE run. Its for bragging rights. This is a street car, not a drag car, I just want something impressive to tell everyone who asks what this pretty little thing can do. ~_^

My drag car as of right now is an EVO, that I easily got into the 12's. I also realize the horrors of FWD (had a bad experience my first few weeks of driving one lol)

Thus far my favorite car to drag has been a Nissan 300zxTT. My god that is one hell of a car ^_^ Sure makes the EVO seem like a little fruitcake hahaha. IMO thats true bred race car, the prelude, as i call it, is known as "little Z" because it is somewhat similar.

 

I'll make a prediction here. It'll never happen, you will waste A LOT of money trying and you will hate your Prelude in the end.

 

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What does this mean? You actually get paid to drive hondas or are you trying to make some witty comment that if you drive a honda you are by default some sort of drag racer? I don't get it.


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The car isnt being designed to be a drag car. I just want a fast N/A car that can hit at the least the 13's. This is the reason I dont want to resort to turbo's. I am pretty positive that hitting 13's with just motor is more than possible, and then the Nitrous should put me in the 12's. That is much more appealing to me than turbocharging. But first and foremost i would like to see where I can get with all motor/
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13's (high) all motor is possible with OEM type-s pistons 11:1 but pretty unlikely. Any high compression you need a block sleeve job.

Plus Running enough nitrous to get you into the 12's would require a fully built block and engine management anyway...

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bragging rights, great reason to do this...

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you realize the EVO is All-Wheel Drive right? Are you sure you own one?


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Kinda heavy for a drag car...it was more of a luxury coupe...

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If you say so...

 

Come on guys if he ran a 14.9 in the 1/4 mile on a stock block. Don't you think with a built head (Big but streetable cam) , built bottom end with a 11.5 compression, good tuning that he can at least hit a 12.9. Remember also include Quaife LSD, good suspension, traction bars (from PrecisionH23 or from the web av-engineered.com), and some slicks. Okay if he is shy tenths of seconds a little Nitrious wouldn't hurt. DOn't get me wrong the best way to do it is turbo but I am guessing he wants a challenge. DO it bro and keep us in form with your project to come.....

Oh I would rather say go with a prospeed header instead........Better gains out of a NA car......

Cheack out this forum https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1088328 and the numbers he recieved. Imagine it with a built bottom end and ect.....

 

Sounds like you're definitely on the right track. Are you trying to reach the 12's w/out going super/turbo charged? If so you could do an upgrade to your throttle body w/the other stuff that you've done already. Are your headers chrome or stainless? I'd watch if they're chrome b/c I found out the hard way about the whole rusting thing and had to replace mine twice. Not fun. Not a bad time w/a stock 'lude at all so far...good luck w/that. Anything you can do to lighten the car up will help out as well. I'll be interested to know what you run next time.

 

Oh, also, you said you had a grounding kit (hyperground u mean?) on your car as well. I've read about 5 or 6 articles and talked to some different people and they all said hypergrounds don't do much at all for cars. It's a lost cause to me as to why they're being talked up so much.

 

I definitely wouldn't go with a lot of nitrous. Not to say a small shot isn't bad but I've heard horror stories (and actually know a guy) of people that use it as the easiest way to get some horses. Yeah sure it'll work but you'll have to replace you're engine after about 6 times. If you want a good amount of power I'd go supercharged because then you can get a constant amount of power whereas a turbo's power has to kick in. Plus then you have to worry about crankwalk and all that stuff.

 

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No.

 

Okay put a 100 shot DP kit and you should be in the 12's..........

 

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If he put's a Jacob's Nitrous Mastermind kits the horror stories will go away.......Sleeved the motor and he will be fine.....

 

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yeah, a throttle body... 4 Horsepower down, only 196 more to go!

 

hahaha

 

wow.. this discussion has become rather intense.

In all honesty though, building a car for "bragging rights" isn't usually the best reason to go about it. Also, if you dont want a turbo then don't bother mentioning it.

If you want the bragging rights of hitting a 12.999 in a N/A prelude then build the motor as far as you can and strip the hell out of it. Using Nitrous isn't going N/A!!

If you aren't building your car how you want to because your girlfriend likes it how it is... either get a new girlfriend.. or tell her not to worry, cause you won't be driving her around anymore.

And hey, if money isnt an issue.. I have a N/A H22a1 sitting at R&D Dyno right now. Check out the link below and buy it. haha

 

umm..kinda hard even getting close to 12.999 in a NA car. its damn expensive too. better grab a file and start shaving the chassis. we have a REALLY heavy chassis. look at the hatchies. some are like 2400 pounds with FULL interior 100% stock. we are at almsot 2900...and if you are a fat ***..throw in another 200 pounds..

look at the oaks racing prelude..look at how much hp it took to get to 11.2. preludes just have too much problem being a fast straight line car. if you want fast in a straight line, go get a RWD car.

or build a NA car that is build for the track. something that requires you to turn.

 

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WTF

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This isn't a bloody DSM.

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I understand it, I just don't get it.

Please stop posting

 

I drive a honda for a living too!! I mean, I drive one to work every day, so I must drag full time basically! I've got some money I'll throw onto Andy's side of the bet.
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Satan, your avatar lady just keeps getting better and better.

 

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wow


DC headers definetly suck SMSP will give you the best gains.
and for 12s without FI, you're gonna need a SHITLOAD of nitrous.
so ummm good luck