I have a modded airbox with a hks drop in and pipe that goes from the bottom of the box to the ground. Would I see better gains with say a aem cai. Or just keep my setup?

 

too expensive, whats 2nd best?!

 

the generic version is like $150?

 

just get a replica (non cf), they run for 40-60. or just build your own... 45 degree bend 3 inch pipe with a filter at the end. although i do like the sound of the whale *****, maybe i'll get a sound clip of my vtec engagement with my new header

 

so is the cai better than the drop in with modded airbox or what

 

who knows....but anythings better than the factory intake....

 

^ Not true. Stock air box here with a K&N drop in filter. Just remove your secondary restrictor and you have a CAI that maintains stockness.

- Stock air box (STOCKNESS), remove secondary (LESS RESTRICTION & COLD AIR), drop in k&n (MORE FLOW)!

Intakes are a waste of money in my opinion.


Modified by thevanitygroup at 7:31 PM 3/21/2005

 

yeah, if you cut the resonator off from it....awesome DIY by the way....

but they have nothing on the quirks of buying your own intake, and bragging about it

 

I really have no idea what you are talking about but again I state: waste of money!

 

intakes arent a waste of money......you need a decent one to feed air into the motor....

buy a 3" PVC pipe and build one....

 

Umm.. No. You really dont unless you have an engine that largely intakes more air than the diameter and restrictions of the stock air box allows which is not the case with many engines. For example, a realtime dyno in my face of a friends CTR swap with his stock air box/drop in k&n/no secondary resinator was 169.3 HP and 109.5 TQ. When he installed his new AEM V2 that he paid an arm and a leg for (I suggested against) he dyno'ed at a WOPPING 169.1 HP and 109.7 TQ. Ask yourself, why was the AEM so gainless even though it obviously was a larger pipe, had a smoother air route and k&n cone filter? Because he motor was not demanding a much larger amount of air than it was already being provided with the stock setup. For $150+ on J's copies and $200+ for some AEM's, it just not worth it, you can normally get more power off of just spending that money on more tuning time and maintaining the stockness of the OEM box. Again I say, waste of money, waste of time. Go change your plugs and wires or even timing belt for that matter. I rather spend the money on preventitive maintence that will most likely keep me running into the future than blow my cash on over hyped intakes.

 

i concur with this guy. i spent $250 for aem cai to only find out gained only 2 whp on dyno..not worth the price..better off getting one at ebay..( yes im aware with all the r &d that was invented to make the aem product but for the price and whp you gain, not worth it at all)

 

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You go ahead and do that. Do you know under what conditions it was performed? Was the hood open with a high velocity fan blowing right on top of the motor (as the case is with most intake dyno's)? Did the people dyno'ing the intake create a condition that was optimal for the intake but can never be had while actually DRIVING? Basically my point is, I can **** on a motor and make it put out 5-10 more HP on a dyno by just creating an optimal environment with weather, fans, oil used, tuning etc. Until your actually have a personal experience with the J's intake on a dyno with the EXACT same conditions and tuning as everything its being tested against, these dyno plots put out by people that sell them are worth ***.

 

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a lot of people on ht wonder the same about you

 

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Thanks, you beat me to it.

 

this is a very bad post .

first
What mods do you have ?
then people can help you.

Anyway. A drop in is great bang for the buck , but you said you had an HKS drop in. That's a foam element isn't it ? Aren't foam elements bad for flow and cleaning ?

K&n or fram airhog ?

I dunno

-nuke

 

lmao... just do it like a race car.... take the headlight out! thats affordable and makes power ...LMAO

 

haha

 

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Your a complete idiot. Your not stating why your recommended intake may help him, no forms of positive data, not even why you like it. You keep just writing vague non-sense filled posts that contain ZERO helpful information to anybody. I came on here questioning your recommendations asking you to prove its performance increses and instead you get pissed. I in turn posted my own recommendation with some personal experiences as well in hopes to help shed some light on the situation. Post something informative for once and maybe i'll listen, until then, your worthless to this community.

 

I would imagine that the smooth walls of the aftermarket intake system would provide less turbulence. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Inexpensive intake is what I would go with.

 

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Your a complete idiot. Your not stating why your recommended intake may help him, no forms of positive data, not even why you like it. You keep just writing vague non-sense filled posts that contain ZERO helpful information to anybody. I came on here questioning your recommendations asking you to prove its performance increses and instead you get pissed. I in turn posted my own recommendation with some personal experiences as well in hopes to help shed some light on the situation. Post something informative for once and maybe i'll listen, until then, your worthless to this community.</TD></TR></TABLE>

oh...i simply stated that the j's racing intake has impressive gains for an intake. if you want to look and see the dyno results then search for them dude. you need to relax and instead of being such an incessant flamer, try doing some investigating.

CAI, short ram intake, i believe any intake over the stock box is a lot more beneficial because you dont have a flat surface filter to suck air in through, it can grab air from every side, so thats A more air pulled in, B depending on what type of material the tube is made out of, a cooler intake charge, ill go ahead and explain that so nobody thinks its uninformative....the stock plastic probably heats up a lot faster than an aftermarket intake, meaning that its going to warm the air charge up that is pulled in through the motor. moving on, C, it feels good to purchase a product for your car to personalize it more, IMO, D it sounds better, i mean you could cut the resonator off the stock box to make it sound a little beefier, but its not the same as an intake growl. if youre going to ride in your car, you might as well make it more specific to your comfort zone.

the J's racing intake is very wide, wider than most intakes, which leads to a larger capacity of air being drawn in than the competitors. there are dynos which prove this, i guaruntee it will outdo any intake on the market, comparitively speaking. its not that much as far as price goes either when compared to other aftermarket intakes. then again you get what you pay for.

i would put a link up, but ive spend enough time already typing this, so draw your own conclusions. but either way youre still a flamer.

 

^ another worthless post. Your information is unfounded and basically guess work. Again you state many things without providing proof or the WHY'S!! You claim plastic heats up quicker but does it eventually retain more heat or less? Does the metal heat up slower but end up being hotter? Does the smooth surface of the intake speed up air flow or eventually make no difference (smooth surfaces do not create the ideal turbulence for air travel, ones with small deflections do) Does the size of the intake piping matter as you claim or if it the large to small difference that creates the J's effect? Can you answer any of these questions. I may just be a flammer and every other name you want to call me but that dosent change the fact that your an idiot. That unlike your posts is for sure.

BTW... That intake GROWL you speak of is side by side with the name RICE that I speak of. That GROWL is also exactly what I do not want. When you are actually running something under the hood that will get you impounded, your definatly not trying to attract the local police with this so called GROWL or the razzz pizzz bahhhh of your APEX N1. Although not to worry for you, your just getting a ticket for to many rear window decals and your fake J's racing intake right after he passes by my near silent gross polluter.

 

There are many factors regarding intake systems that have not been addressed here. A big one is heat. In a controlled environment (dyno) it doesn't have as much of an effect as the middle of a race in August. That engine bay gets very hot. If one had data aq. you would see a big difference between a stock box and a true cold air system that draws air from outside the engine bay. In so far as the J's fat system, the design is correct, but not complete. It will only work when force fed through a frontal intake. All fully engineered race cars employ a similar principle.


Modified by daigo at 1:43 PM 3/21/2005

 

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LMAO

 

Same dyno, same day, same weather conditions, nothing else changed on the engine... AEM CAI showed 8whp gain on my car. Dunno why your example showed nothing. That was against a modified stock airbox with K&N filter also.