well about 6 weeks ago i agreed to make a deal with a fellow h-t member ** not sayin his name yet, will give him a lil more time to get this straightened out**

link to car and for sale ad
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1043509

well the deal was my complete 94 gsr swap for his 93 integra ls,

the deal was i got the 17's and a spare set of 14 inch tires,no header, or exhaust or suspension that was on it, but he would throw in a cheap set of coilovers

i asked him if there were any problems and he said it only needed tint taken off and exhaust to pass inspection, and there was a rip in the driver side leather seat,
and the obvious rust
so he comes drops off the car, picks up the swap and everything is done

after he leaves i notice that 3 of the 4 steelies are either bald or have a hole in them so that means i have one good steel wheel, 2 bald 17" tires on the rims and 2 decent ones( leaves me with 3 good tires outta 8 , although he told me 2 of the 17's were bald)
and he never had the coilovers for the car like he promised


thats when all the fun begins, i turn on the lights and the gauge cluster doesnt light up, *problem #1

i go to drive down the road and the car pulls all over the place, has lots of loud banging noises goin on in the front and rear suspension

so i drive it like that for 2 days with 2 brand new tires on the front that i borrowed off the gsr parts car, finally i jack up the front end and take off the tires, after diagnosing everythign i realize i have to buy
pass side upper a-arm**which he didnt even have the ball joint ightened down on
pass side axle
driver side a-arm

so i fix the axles and a-arm and go to get it aligned
they tell me i also need 2 new outter tie rods, so i get them replaced and finally get the front end aligned

a week later a snow storm hits and i cant drive my car anwhwere due to something making the car feel like im driving with the ebrake pulled and my rear of my car going all over the road, at first the banging in the rear i thought was bad struts but now i realize its got bigger problems

i get the car to a shop when they tell me i need:

new rear pass lca
new rear pass trailing arm bushing
new rear driver trailing arm bushing
and apparently when he took off his camber kits he put on stock ones with bad bushings and he put in the wrong size and lenght bolts to hold them in


now this whole time i have been keeping contact with him to try n get the coilovers for my car, he keeps sayin he is broke etc etc, then when i kept finding problems that he obviously knew about because he was the one who put on the lcas*** to replace the type r ones** and the upper arms in the rear to control camber because he took off the camber kit

he basically said he wont do nethign but get me a set of springs and thats all he feels he owes me when in reality i have over 500 into parts let alone labor on fixin this car so that the only thing wrong with it is the exhaust and the tint

what do you all feel i should do?

this car was a deathtrap that i almost died in the snow with because of his ignorance

pics of **** thats bad
this is the lca which he put back on the car



and this is the trailing arm bushing that i basically just pushed out with my hand



brian



Modified by coptzer at 3:28 PM 3/17/2005

 

thats not cool mang...

 

dam i would be pissed. not to sound like an ***, but i think you should have given the car a little test drive before purchasing it. same thing with the tires, i would have at least checked everything over before he left. not saying that makes what this guy did right, because it is messed up.

 

i mean i know i shoulda drove it first, but if he could drive it 3 hours from jersey to here i figured it couldnt be that bad,

i expected a cpl lil problems but with labor and those parts i feel that he royally screwed me on this deal

 

I guess it's one of life's little lessons.

 

Very sorry to hear about the "lube job". Make sure you come over and register at http://www.g2ic.com so we can make sure you get that G2 running right. Very good chance someone over there knows the guy too.

About your rear end feeling like the ebrake is on..... With many of the G2s that have 100k+ the rear calipers they used OEM lock up and will melt the pads back there. Not saying you didn't have those bad rear parts but it is something to watch for. Oh yea, and the TA bushings being bad are very common. In case you didn't find it we have the part numbers in a thread over there that can get you the OEM ones without having to buy the whole arm like you used to.

 

Damn that sux..... Well you should have test driven and inspected the car, so the bushings and all the work u did you cant really complain about because you "took delivery" of the car AS IS.

I do think he owes u a decent set of coilovers and not springs, but again I woulda expected that upon delivery too

 

its sold as is.....you looked at it and was willing to accept the car......should of inspect the car first.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CNSK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its sold as is.....you looked at it and was willing to accept the car......should of inspect the car first.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

when you inspect the car, do you expect someone to take off the lca's

or would you think someone would take off camber kits and replace with defective parts?

he is workin with me about the springs, but untill its all resolved this post will be up here

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wraith_G2IC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Very sorry to hear about the "lube job". Make sure you come over and register at http://www.g2ic.com so we can make sure you get that G2 running right. Very good chance someone over there knows the guy too.

About your rear end feeling like the ebrake is on..... With many of the G2s that have 100k+ the rear calipers they used OEM lock up and will melt the pads back there. Not saying you didn't have those bad rear parts but it is something to watch for. Oh yea, and the TA bushings being bad are very common. In case you didn't find it we have the part numbers in a thread over there that can get you the OEM ones without having to buy the whole arm like you used to.</TD></TR></TABLE>

it was all the parts i replaced, the car drives excellent now....

 

This is a perfect example why you should look a car over from top to bottom before you buy it. Most of this could have been avoided.

 

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Word.

Hate to see people pull swift ones like these.

 

Sucks on the shitty deal, but you should have checked the car out better

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coptzer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when you inspect the car, do you expect someone to take off the lca's

or would you think someone would take off camber kits and replace with defective parts?

he is workin with me about the springs, but untill its all resolved this post will be up here

it was all the parts i replaced, the car drives excellent now....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, there's two things you could've done.

I'm very leery about other people's work done to a car, so I check very thorough in a step-by-step fashion. I take my coveralls, jack, and jackstands with me, but drive the car first to give it benefit of the doubt. If something doesn't feel right, I start looking for problems. I also do a thorough visual inspection of the car as well. Honestly, if I'm about to spend a lot of money (or trade something worth a lot) I enjoy the feeling of knowing I got my money's worth. You never know what kind of "mechanic" the seller is, so you always have to check. That's the first thing you should've done, and I'm sorry that you didn't.

The second is to stipulate a clause in the bill of sale saying "If anything goes wrong... seller pays $$$ or does labor". I did this with the 1990 Integra I bought (b20 swap, etc) and now I have the seller coming down to help me swap the intake manifold. It's unfortunate that you had a crappy seller, but there were a few precautions you could have taken to avoid this situation.

All in all, best thing you can do is be happy the car runs fine now, take the loss, and keep it as a life lesson. We all go through them, hell I'm 17 and I'm on my 3rd car. I'm sorry to hear about your loss though, and I hope it all works out while you continue to conact him.

 

im have the same problems you are with the 95 gsr i bought yesterday. i bought it certified and while i was driving it home i noticed that the heater core was leaking, washer/wiper switch does not work right, abs relay pulled out for some reason, and the horn does not work. but the guys are going the give me some money to replace the parts thought.

 

dude... as i recall, you were the guy that bought that red hatch off of ebay a while back.

You should have known, that the situation you are currently in would be one of the many possibilities that you would be getting into. Always "go" check the car in person and do a thourough inspection as well as test driving it HARD. If the seller tells you right off the bat that it has various problems, then cool... look for any other problems that you can find. Don't just jump the gun and buy/trade something cause you need it hella bad, or think it's such a great deal.

Also you should have created an invoice or contract of somesort stating all the facts and conditions of your trade. Bad lesson to learn but, your definitly gonna learn from this one. Good luck in the end man.

**edit** Ridinstock basically said it already (I didn't read the whole post )

 

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ya that was me, that was quite a few cars ago though

i realize that all used modified cars this age come with problems, but thats when the seller should inform what the problems are to the best of there extent,

as of now the old owner said this post is gonna make it hard for him to sell any stuff to get money to help me out with this situation

so i offered to buy the gsr trans back off from him, with what he woudl owe me what would you all would say is a good offer for me to offer him for the trans?

 

you should get it free

 

Buy back the tranny?

 

wow u kno i this makes me glad i didnt buy that g2 when i saw it for sale i bugged and bugged this kid for like 2 weeks and no response from him until after i bought another G2 and damn i thought mine had problems sorry to hear bro. from what i remember from that thread he was selling with everything as is. sucks to hear bro. .

but then again thats what happens when buyin a car sometimes. reason why he was sellin it cheap ya kno. i hope u didnt pay more than 1500 for it. **** i picked mine up for 1500 and had a non runnin motor wit a blown HG. **** i didnt even find out til i pulled the head off to go get the block sleeved to find that **** out. most likely id doubt if that kid will give u any sort of money back. theres a motto of kids around here(when they sell **** like that) they like to say "u got stuck *****". learn from the mistake of not test drivin the car man. .

 

not to burst your bubble but "sold as is"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drift2004 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not to burst your bubble but "sold as is" </TD></TR></TABLE>

W3rd, but with that said you sholda done what every one else said, look the bitch over. I weel and deal so much and so far have not come out on the **** end, mostly becasue i LOOK HARD. My friends buy cars then sell/trade them a week later because they getthem self into **** with these cars thats just to much to handle.

Heresa few of my own tippers i use.

The first one will be a opening line i use that works when selling or buying, and breaks the ice yet gets the point across well. It helps when negotiating (sp) money. Its just an easy and very friendly way of tellin some one
"i want high dollar for said item, though i do understand you want to get it for as cheap as you can."

1. "your trying to buy a car, and im trying to a sell one." Or vice versa

Newer used cas.

2. Look for trany bolts that have scratchs and notchs, same gos for motor mount bolts/nuts inspect/examin parts to see if they may have been removed at some point, IE for repairs or replacment.

This applys to most any car, but even more so swaped cars, or cars with aftermarket electonics, alarms, pop locks, Afc/Vafc etc. etc..

3. Take a good look under the dash and by the firewall in the engine bay, make sure any wireing that was done look at least semi decent. Theres nothing worse then spegheti......on top of wireing problems. Make sure all break lights, wipers, dash and headlight/high beams work.

This applys to the body.

4. dents on the rear can be easily fixed/replaced, dont let a biger then minor smaller then major dent fool you, if it can be poped out easy, it WILL cost an arm to fix.

5. inspect the corner areas of the body in the engine bay, and along the fenders. Theres a putty honda used for small areas and corners, im sure to keep rattling down, but just the same you will be able to tell if its been disturbed. Ie colision repair.

6. look at all the gaps on the body make sure there strait, fender/hoop gap, door/fender gap, bumper/hood gap, bumper/fender gap.

7. One of my big things is looking at the chassis under the car, even if only a quick once over, i like to make sure it was never slammed on a parking block or got slamed going of a curb or something. I have seen rips in the sheet metal from said stuff.

Hope that helps a little. Just a few things i personaly look for.

 

yep, I was interested in that car as well...............
but I backed off when I saw how much stuff was done to it, and how many things were coming off to make the sale, and responses were coming kinda slow.

also was about to buy another DA off a seller here on HT, but at the last minute found out the car didn't drive straight (I refuse to buy a car that doesn't drive straight cause if the seller is unwilling to spend $60 to get an alignment done, then it must be for a reason, and I'm not going to take a chance on it still not driving straight after I get an alignment)

but like others here have said, you should've taken a flashlight to the rear end of that car, you would have been able to tell by just looking at the bushings back there if they were shot (and like said before this is not uncommon with DA's).
sorry bout your deal, it sucks to get the short end of the stick..best deals are win/wins, but that rarely happens.

what were you looking to get cash wise for your swap? Hope you didn't come out losing too much, and hope you make the best of it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cliffjumper2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yep, I was interested in that car as well...............
but I backed off when I saw how much stuff was done to it, and how many things were coming off to make the sale, and responses were coming kinda slow.
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yea exact same reason why i steered away from it.

 

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catch me if im wrong, but after they agreed, the dude changed up everything?

sold as is, is when they agree, thats it, whats on it is on it and all goes with it. but dude changed the springs and alot of little ****. thats not sold as is.

so if i was to sell my g2 with my ls/vtec and right before i drop it off, i can swap the motor and put an LS back in? **** no. dude dicked him. small claims court dude

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chriskona &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

catch me if im wrong, but after they agreed, the dude changed up everything?

sold as is, is when they agree, thats it, whats on it is on it and all goes with it. but dude changed the springs and alot of little ****. thats not sold as is.

so if i was to sell my g2 with my ls/vtec and right before i drop it off, i can swap the motor and put an LS back in? **** no. dude dicked him. small claims court dude</TD></TR></TABLE>

we agreed i wouldnt get the suspension, but who would take off parts n put faulty parts on a car, thats my biggest problem with this whole situation