I might be picking up a clip so i was wondering if they would fit to do a five lug swap?

 

I don't think the knuckles would, I am sure the curviture is way off. But this is not a fact, just a guess since the RSX platform is different.

 

Doesn't the RSX use struts in the front? Struts = No UCA. So no, the (spindle)knuckle won't work.


Modified by Surewin at 1:21 PM 3/17/2005

 

absolutely not. RSX has macpherson struts, EF have traditional honda double wishbone. completely different. the cars are 15 years apart in design...

 

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haha nope ur ef has dual wishbones

 

No it's not a mcpherson strut. It's a strut with a coilspring on it. A Mcpherson strut eliminate the UCA and acts as a steering pivot instead of an upper ball joint. This is only in the front. The rear all it does is eliminate UCAs.

Our cars are Dual Wishbone Designs.

 

http://www.carbibles.com/suspension_bible.html

 

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Looks like someone needs to brush up on their suspenson terminology:

http://www.icarumba.com/cobran...1.asp

"McPherson strut front suspension differs considerably from unequal length A-arm suspension."

 

Like stated, EF's have double wishbone suspension. So the RSX will not fit. I have seen EK civics and an EF that were in the process of converting over to Macpherson suspension for drag raceing but it is alot of work and not worth it. Not to mention the car probably wouldn't handle as well.

-James-

 

The diagram on the right doesn't accurately portray the EF chasis. At all.

The strut assembly doesn't extend all the way down into the LCA. Instead, it perches in a wishbone which then attaches to the LCA.

Also, the diagram doesn't show the UCA. Or the steering knuckle for that matter.

 

I understand. I was just pointing out the items which weren't similiar.

 

technically, its a shock absorber with coilspring, not a strut. A strut design uses the strut itself as a means of locating the suspension geometry. That's why strut cars, like 240sx's can change their camber settings using an adjustable upper strut mount (camber plates). That is because in strut suspension designs, the hub attaches directly to the strut and the geometry is affected by the strut's location.

The EF uses an Upper wishbone, and lower control arm setup, which is very similar to double wishbones (and for all intents and purposes, it behaves the same way). moving the upper shock mounts will not affect suspension geometry like a strut system. The shock is used only for dampening, and is not part of the suspension geometry, nor affects the any part of the alignment.

 

if you really want to see where the "wishbone" part of the suspension is at the bottom, look at how the radius rod is connected to the lower control arm. the two of them together make the "A".

but honda's double wishbone suspension is defined not by how it looks, but how its designed. its designed to control the camber angle of the wheel, independent of the shock. it uses unequal length arms, the top and bottom control arms. the original design of this suspension used what looked like the upper control arm, "wishbone" suspension arms, on both top and bottom. honda replicated this design, and packaged it on a production vehicle and you now see what you get on our EF's and many other cars. the EG's dont have the front radius rod, but instead have a rearward control arm which serves the same purpose. its still called and works as a double wishbone suspension.

with macpherson struts, there is no upper control arm. without the shock/strut, the suspension is totally unsupported. the result of this design is that the suspension geometry caused by the lack of a upper control arm is that camber changes are much greater, making for less predictable handling. its useful only for cost effectiveness and space saving reasons.


Modified by Tyson at 11:56 AM 11/30/2005

 

Bump for some more intriguing info, that peeps like me can learn from

 

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just google "double wishbone".

the first link is a pretty good one. it even uses hondas suspension as a prime example of double wishbone...

dont let this asshat confuse you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

w3rd

 

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wtf? He's here to straighten you and your misinformation out. What questions are you talking about. I certainly saw a lot of you arguing that your car has a McPherson suspension. Are you going to learn anything, or be a smartass?

 

actually tyson did answer the first question of the thread. You just didnt read it well. And yes its a double wishbone suspension our ef's have.

 

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I didn't see your posts answering the question either. Just spreading misinformation, which has thrown this thread off course..


anyway....


I don't know the answer either, but my educated guess would say "no, rsx brakes will not fit on CRX knuckles. At least not a bolt on swap. I suppose you could seperate the hu/bearing unit from the knuckle and compare sizes to the CRX hub or 90-93 integra hub, and if it were the same (doubtful) you can press the 5 lug hub and bolt it on. but then you'd need to figure a way to get the calipers on.

probably a lot easier to just go to fastbrakes.com and get their 11" upgrade

 

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Your reading skills are unmatched, I did in fact have 3333 posts! I don't know your obsession with all that rating stuff, but whatever. I have nothing in a bundle, nor am I uptight. I'm a fan of more learning and less attitude, so lets try to keep it that way.

You seem to be looking at the suspension in a material way, instead of it's function. Just because it doesn't look exactly like you think a wishbone should, doesn't mean that's not how it functions. The whole trick to suspension design is to put bars where they will fit, while still having them perform the same fuction as the "ideal" suspension that usually won't package. Ask yourself why it doesn't look like a wishbone, and you'll see what I mean: where would you mount it? The oil pan and transmission? For some fun, research dual ball joints and virtual steer, that's good stuff that makes you realize that thing's arent' always as they seem, they're usually way more complicated when it comes to suspension.

 

RSX similar example:


ED similar example:


The answer to the question is no. Pictures own you.


Modified by Doodoo at 1:39 PM 11/30/2005

 

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Tyson is absolutely right. The irony of the whole thing is double wish is better. I cringed when I heard that Honda was switching to Mac-Strut back in '00, to the cost cutting penny pinchers at Honda. Atleast they did do a good job, when they made the K.

 

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Makes me think of a McDonalds menu: "Yeah, I'll have the McStrut, supersize it, with an order of Slow&Heavy."

 

tyson is a cool dude

 

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Makes me think of a McDonalds menu: "Yeah, I'll have the McStrut, supersize it, with an order of Slow&Heavy." </TD></TR></TABLE>

Bwahahahahaha, Mike you crack me up man.