New formula 1 engine rules!
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New formula 1 engine rules!
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Re: New formula 1 engine rules! (Stewie)
I think the new rules are a positive for the sport. Ive followed it for a few years and it did dull off towards the middle of last season. Although MS mishaps near the end of the season were entertaining!
This weekends race will be a big test for the teams running the same engine as the Australian Grand Prix. I would be suprised to see no engine failures, but im happy to be proved wrong
This weekends race will be a big test for the teams running the same engine as the Australian Grand Prix. I would be suprised to see no engine failures, but im happy to be proved wrong
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Re: New formula 1 engine rules! (HondaRcB)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaRcB »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Haha didn't take long to close that loophole. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, what do you expect when Toyota started to bitch!
Well, what do you expect when Toyota started to bitch!
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Re: New formula 1 engine rules! (HondaRcB)
Yes, because we all know there's no way a team could make the motor fail on the last lap if they so chose. Perhaps a cylinder ran a little too lean or the iginition was too aggressive?
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What? No one is beating on Ferrari (as usual) for this abuse? I mean they also did it twice that weekend.
Should be interesting.
Lotsa good racing coming up soon
Don't forget Speed World Challenge and The replay of Grand Am.
Should be interesting.
Lotsa good racing coming up soon
Don't forget Speed World Challenge and The replay of Grand Am.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What? No one is beating on Ferrari (as usual) for this abuse? I mean they also did it twice that weekend.
Should be interesting.
Lotsa good racing coming up soon Don't forget Speed World Challenge and The replay of Grand Am.
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twice?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stewie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This seasons gonna be better than I thought!
Shame on honda
http://f1.racing-live.com/en/h...shtml</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, shame on honda for being one of only 2 teams smart enough to use the rules to their benefit.
Should be interesting.
Lotsa good racing coming up soon
Don't forget Speed World Challenge and The replay of Grand Am.</TD></TR></TABLE>
twice?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stewie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This seasons gonna be better than I thought!
Shame on honda
http://f1.racing-live.com/en/h...shtml</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, shame on honda for being one of only 2 teams smart enough to use the rules to their benefit.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lanceh »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
twice?
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Schumi did it after that crappy rain practice session then again after he got punted off course during the race. Maybe I'm crazy but I do remember hearing they were gonna swap the motors both times.
twice?
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Schumi did it after that crappy rain practice session then again after he got punted off course during the race. Maybe I'm crazy but I do remember hearing they were gonna swap the motors both times.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lanceh »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
yeah, shame on honda for being one of only 2 teams smart enough to use the rules to their benefit.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah thats what i thought also.....take advantage or be taken advantage of
yeah, shame on honda for being one of only 2 teams smart enough to use the rules to their benefit.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Yeah thats what i thought also.....take advantage or be taken advantage of
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jon D »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah thats what i thought also.....take advantage or be taken advantage of </TD></TR></TABLE>
Tis the way of the world.
Funny though how well these rules were supposedly thought out before the season started and how they progressively change. Jeez right before the last race with the one tire swap rule and now they play catchup for this.
Yeah thats what i thought also.....take advantage or be taken advantage of
</TD></TR></TABLE>Tis the way of the world.
Funny though how well these rules were supposedly thought out before the season started and how they progressively change. Jeez right before the last race with the one tire swap rule and now they play catchup for this.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Funny though how well these rules were supposedly thought out before the season started ...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah no kidding, my 8 year-old daughter could have seen that loophole coming a mile away...
Yeah no kidding, my 8 year-old daughter could have seen that loophole coming a mile away...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe I'm crazy but I do remember hearing they were gonna swap the motors both times.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ferrari has just said they aren't going to replace the motor in Schumachers car, in light of the new ruling. However, I wonder if it was "sealed" in the same form as cars that finished the race?
Brian
Ferrari has just said they aren't going to replace the motor in Schumachers car, in light of the new ruling. However, I wonder if it was "sealed" in the same form as cars that finished the race?
Brian
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Things that make ou go hmmmmm.....
Things that make ou go hmmmmm.....
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Re: New formula 1 engine rules! (ITRbroham)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRbroham »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Haha.....and they thought they were so clever! 
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Every team tries this tactic, some more eloquently. Look at Renault and there launches at the beginning of the race. They clearly have interpretted the rule (basicaly says "No launch control" i believe) in a way that gives them a massive advantage from a stop. So much so that they would gain 3-4 or more spots on average last year. Or they found a way to interpret the rule so that it isn't a violation, but is maybe outside the intent. Good for them! No one has been able to duplicate their amazing launch... 'system'
Look at the illegal brake ducts on the four cars that got DQ'ed after the Canadian GP? Shame on them.... those... cheaters! And Honda's Front Torque Transfer thing (the driveshafts and center diff meant to stop/limit lockup under braking... that they were banned from using last year). Also, the 'bendable' wing element meant to bend on the straight aways to not add more downforce where it is not needed, yet stay firm while in turns to allow for more downforce. (not sure who had it first, but I know honda did and a few other teams)
Some of the above is a crude exploit of a loophole (pulling in on the last lap), some were supposedly honest mistakes or misunderstandings with the rule (brake duct size), and some are very innovative and crafty ways to gain an advantage over the competition (this is what F1 is all about - having the advantage by testing, driver, engineering know how) that are sometimes seen by other teams as cheating or questionable because they aren't doing it (or dont know how? lol).
So honda exploited a very obvious loophole. Good for them. Why not? What if Heidfeld and Schumacher change engines for Malaysia, when they had a collision (or should I say... MS caused a collision?) that did not effect their engines at all? The original intent of the rule was to allow those with engine issues to put a fresh engine in for the next race.. not so that any car that retires for any non-engine related reason can change an engine and be exempt from the 10 grid spot penalty. So BMW, Ferrari AND Honda would all be committing a very similar 'awful' exploit of the rules, no? (which in my opinion is not awful or bad, its a very obvious loophole that should be used until its corrected. not saying i 'like' the loophole, but is it the teams' fault it is there?? no. so they should not be penalized for exploting it!)
Chris - who thinks the rules are the rules, rules will always be pushed as far as possible, and if they aren't written well enough to prevent obvious exploits...... then they need to be rewritten.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Every team tries this tactic, some more eloquently. Look at Renault and there launches at the beginning of the race. They clearly have interpretted the rule (basicaly says "No launch control" i believe) in a way that gives them a massive advantage from a stop. So much so that they would gain 3-4 or more spots on average last year. Or they found a way to interpret the rule so that it isn't a violation, but is maybe outside the intent. Good for them! No one has been able to duplicate their amazing launch... 'system'
Look at the illegal brake ducts on the four cars that got DQ'ed after the Canadian GP? Shame on them.... those... cheaters!
And Honda's Front Torque Transfer thing (the driveshafts and center diff meant to stop/limit lockup under braking... that they were banned from using last year). Also, the 'bendable' wing element meant to bend on the straight aways to not add more downforce where it is not needed, yet stay firm while in turns to allow for more downforce. (not sure who had it first, but I know honda did and a few other teams) Some of the above is a crude exploit of a loophole (pulling in on the last lap), some were supposedly honest mistakes or misunderstandings with the rule (brake duct size), and some are very innovative and crafty ways to gain an advantage over the competition (this is what F1 is all about - having the advantage by testing, driver, engineering know how) that are sometimes seen by other teams as cheating or questionable because they aren't doing it (or dont know how? lol).
So honda exploited a very obvious loophole. Good for them. Why not? What if Heidfeld and Schumacher change engines for Malaysia, when they had a collision (or should I say... MS caused a collision?) that did not effect their engines at all? The original intent of the rule was to allow those with engine issues to put a fresh engine in for the next race.. not so that any car that retires for any non-engine related reason can change an engine and be exempt from the 10 grid spot penalty. So BMW, Ferrari AND Honda would all be committing a very similar 'awful' exploit of the rules, no? (which in my opinion is not awful or bad, its a very obvious loophole that should be used until its corrected. not saying i 'like' the loophole, but is it the teams' fault it is there?? no. so they should not be penalized for exploting it!)
Chris - who thinks the rules are the rules, rules will always be pushed as far as possible, and if they aren't written well enough to prevent obvious exploits...... then they need to be rewritten.
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Ferrari has just said they aren't going to replace the motor in Schumachers car, in light of the new ruling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ferrari was saying last week that they would keep the same engine in Schumacher's car for Malaysia.
Ferrari has just said they aren't going to replace the motor in Schumachers car, in light of the new ruling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ferrari was saying last week that they would keep the same engine in Schumacher's car for Malaysia.
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"World Champions Ferrari confirmed on Thursday that they will not change the engine in Michael Schumacher's car and he will start the Malaysian Grand Prix weekend with the same unit he used in the season-opening race in Australia."
-Autosport-Atlas.com
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-Autosport-Atlas.com
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What? No one is beating on Ferrari (as usual) for this abuse? I mean they also did it twice that weekend.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ferrari decided to take a 10 grid slot penalty in Melbourne with Schumacher's car after Qualifying 1 because of the rain during his run. Nothing wrong with that; they were gonna be near the back at the start, anyway.
After the incident with Nick Heidfeld, he was beached in the gravel for over 30 seconds with the engine running, getting hotter and hotter. Also his car was damaged which is why he came into the pits to park after asking to be pushed out of the gravel. Ferrari could be concerned from shock to the engine if the rear suspension was hit in the incident. Again, nothing wrong with that.
It appears Ferrari isn't going to change Michael's engine anyway.
BAR Honda didn't do anything wrong, either.
Ferrari decided to take a 10 grid slot penalty in Melbourne with Schumacher's car after Qualifying 1 because of the rain during his run. Nothing wrong with that; they were gonna be near the back at the start, anyway.
After the incident with Nick Heidfeld, he was beached in the gravel for over 30 seconds with the engine running, getting hotter and hotter. Also his car was damaged which is why he came into the pits to park after asking to be pushed out of the gravel. Ferrari could be concerned from shock to the engine if the rear suspension was hit in the incident. Again, nothing wrong with that.
It appears Ferrari isn't going to change Michael's engine anyway.
BAR Honda didn't do anything wrong, either.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Brian*STi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"World Champions Ferrari confirmed on Thursday that they will not change the engine in Michael Schumacher's car and he will start the Malaysian Grand Prix weekend with the same unit he used in the season-opening race in Australia."
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That's cool, they confirmed it. I'm just saying Ferrari were talking about keeping the same engine for Malaysia last week. In other words, it's not in reaction to the FIA Clarification.
http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=79305
09 March 2005
Ferrari's Michael Schumacher, who crashed out of the Australian grand prix, will not race a brand new engine in Malaysia. Team principal Jean Todt said that, even though the move would be allowed under the new engine rule, 'we probably won't change it.'
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That's cool, they confirmed it. I'm just saying Ferrari were talking about keeping the same engine for Malaysia last week. In other words, it's not in reaction to the FIA Clarification.
http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=79305
09 March 2005
Ferrari's Michael Schumacher, who crashed out of the Australian grand prix, will not race a brand new engine in Malaysia. Team principal Jean Todt said that, even though the move would be allowed under the new engine rule, 'we probably won't change it.'
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They retired to take advantage of the loophole.... Just happens to be that they have a different spec engine for Malaysia to account for the intense heat/humidity... and given the loophole at the time, why not increase your changes at the next race by pulling in on the last lap and not taking the checkered flag? Agreed that (so they say) they engines weren't up to what they expected for the race.
If there was no 2-week engine regulations, Honda and most other teams would use a new specification engine every week that would be optimized for the climate/track. Not like the FIA doesn't know that... (this engine regulation is really stupid!!!)
Agreed that (so they say) they engines weren't up to what they expected for the race.If there was no 2-week engine regulations, Honda and most other teams would use a new specification engine every week that would be optimized for the climate/track. Not like the FIA doesn't know that... (this engine regulation is really stupid!!!)
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not that it bothers me personally that honda took advantage of the loophole, it's that I think it's bad for the sport.
If I paid money to spectate a race and half of the field retired before finishing because they weren't gonna be in the points, I'd be pretty pissed. Who want to watch a race like that?
If I'm a fan of a team, I want to see them finish whether it's first or last.
If I paid money to spectate a race and half of the field retired before finishing because they weren't gonna be in the points, I'd be pretty pissed. Who want to watch a race like that?
If I'm a fan of a team, I want to see them finish whether it's first or last.