Have anybody try the buddy club valves spring, retainer and valves on a spec 4. Thanks

 

Would NOT reccommend it.....if you're running BC4's I would HIGHLY reccommend doing the RM gen <U>1</U> springs.....

 

how about omni valve train?

 

Depending on how high you're revving. The BC4's like to go high, they have allot of lift and duration, combined with high rpm's does not equal to well with a low preasure valve spring. With those cams and valvesprings I wouldn't go past 8,700.

 

What about the buddy club valve springs with the Spec 3+ cams in a GSR?

 

what ever you do do not go to buddyclub.com, which is where i went on accident, never again

 

huh i have sitting in my room buddy spec 4's and there valve train...........so everyone is sayin it shouldnt be used?

 

Well, so far clean rice is the only one saying you should not use them, wonder if he has personal experience with them since he seems to think they are not good. But they are new on the market so not too many will have used them for long, so it's kinda hard to get much feedback on these yet. Their cams seem to work good so why should the valvetrain be bad?

 

yea i didnt understand why they would be be bad either..........i have been searching on my setup im goin to run and everyone has such mixed opinions

 

Dont quote me on any of this **** but i think that the valvetrain was released prior to the bc 4's.

The valvetrain was made for milder cam applications. Just because they are made by the same company doesnt mean that they will apply to all of their cams. (which seems to be the common mindstate in hear)

Kinda like u can use the bigger jun cams with the jun valvetrain. Same ****.
IF you want to run big cams like bcIV's You will prolly end up with a spring thats a tiny bit shorter (to prevent binding) and has a higher spring rate.

On the same hand, you wouldnt be able to run such a spring on a milder cam application because then there would be slop.

 

so what would you recomend? would i still be able to use the valves?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Used2beAb16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dont quote me on any of this **** but i think that the valvetrain was released prior to the bc 4's.

The valvetrain was made for milder cam applications.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly right bro, BC has the same valvespring for all of there cams.....and it's not rocket science to question that ****. The RM, <U>in my opinion</U>, are the best valvetrain that $$ can buy. For $250-300 bucks you have a valvespring that you can't abuse. I take my first suggestion back, I would do the gen 2 springs over the gen 1's for the taiwan cams. You will be able to use the valves.

 

Well, no one is asking for rocket science here, but feedback from people having experience with the products, not personal opinions. But word from someone who use them.

Buddy Club themselves highly recommend these parts for spec 4 and 5 cam users so my guess is they should be up to the job. But as they do not provide any specs on the valvesprings it's all speculation really, and I'm not arguing the fact that RM valvetrain is good, but that's really not the subject here. Would be nice if Buddy Club could provide specs like seat pressure, max lift and pressure @ 12mm. Then we would know if they are up to the job or not.

Edit : I just sent them an email asking for this info, will be interesting to see if I get a reply from them.


Modified by Pondus at 7:46 AM 7/13/2005

 

When you emailed them were u sure to say what rpms you were expected to be turning. The bc3's are great for around a stock redline, and i just dont see how the same springs would be ok for such a small cam vs a big cam like the other bc's/

Heres why. If a spring is setup to accomodate a milder cam like ctr or bc2, skunk stg 1, etc. They will some of the following features, more coils, stiffer spring rate, and they will be the same heighth as the stock springs.

NOW, if the said mild cam spring was put in with a big 12+mm lift spring, it would bind because of the height, and coils. U do not want them to bind!

Thats why a spring made for a bigger lift is not just STIFFER, it usually has a fatter coil, less winds inthe coil, and they are sometimes a tad shorter to allow for the bigger lift w/o binding. The problem with these springs is u gotta run a big cam or there will be alot of slop in the valve train etc. A spring for a bigger cam is not just a stiffer spring, theres more to it than that.

I rememver seeing pics for a dude who ran itr cams with highlift springs and they werent pretty pics.

Its a possibility that the BC springs will be Ok with the cams, but as u can see normally a spring thats great for a mild cam isnt so great for big ones and vice versa.

Im looking forward to buddy clubs reply to your email

 

any reply yet?

 

Nope

 

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Just wondering why you are reccomending the RM gen 1 springs? I would think those are a little stiff for the bc4's. Correct me if im wrong but i was told by a reliable sorce that 55lbs. on the seat is really all you are looking for in a na setup.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicgsr19 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just wondering why you are reccomending the RM gen 1 springs? I would think those are a little stiff for the bc4's. Correct me if im wrong but i was told by a reliable sorce that 55lbs. on the seat is really all you are looking for in a na setup.
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^^ what he said? Planning to run full Omni head package with BC4's. Will it work?

 

^^ bump - can anybody answer my question?

Have both Supertech or Omni valvetrain as options. Both at same cost. Which one would suit the BC4's better?

 

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Same sh*t happened to me. I couldnt help but laugh my a** off when i read your post.

 

What is the seat pressure of the BC springs?