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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 06:34 AM
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i think most of the s2k owners are running staggers, if i were to run the same sized rim all the way around, would there be any consequences? i wanted to run 17x8 +35 offset all the way around the car. but not sure if it is the best thing to do. any help will be greatly appreciated
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 06:57 AM
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even more oversteer which could lead to disaster
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 07:03 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ferrell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">even more oversteer which could lead to disaster</TD></TR></TABLE>

what would i need to counter-act the oversteer? other than staggering that is*
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 07:14 AM
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lol...drive under 5,000rpms.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:02 AM
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you will looose handling characteristics... and ummm.. and with a 8 inch wide rim with +35 offset will not work.... that junk is gonna stick out like a lowrider truck hahahahaha....
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:11 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 03s2kblue &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that junk is gonna stick out like a lowrider truck hahahahaha....</TD></TR></TABLE>

LMAO I just pictured an S2k with 13" deep-dish Daytons, triple gold. hahahaha
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:37 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 03s2kblue &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you will looose handling characteristics... and ummm.. and with a 8 inch wide rim with +35 offset will not work.... that junk is gonna stick out like a lowrider truck hahahahaha....</TD></TR></TABLE>

is 35offset really that bad on the s2k? it looks mean on my RSX. im tryin to keep my regamasters evo's and put them on an s2k i am looking forward to purchasing.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:39 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra type s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

is 35offset really that bad on the s2k? it looks mean on my RSX. im tryin to keep my regamasters evo's and put them on an s2k i am looking forward to purchasing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

everyone here will say no, go buy new rims. the effect on handling is not worth it. we don't wanna see another s2k get trashed (junk yard)
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:40 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nishant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

everyone here will say no, go buy new rims. the effect on handling is not worth it. we don't wanna see another s2k get trashed (junk yard)</TD></TR></TABLE>

so with this monocoque chassis, if u smashy smashy it, then thats it right? the s2k is done for?
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:43 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra type s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

so with this monocoque chassis, if u smashy smashy it, then thats it right? the s2k is done for?</TD></TR></TABLE>

not necessarily but if you bend the frame, insurance companies will total it. you will not be able to push the car hard in corners if you have a non staggered set up. by this i mean compared to the oem wheel set up. the only way i see a non staggered set up is with serious suspension modification but thats $$$$$ (yes that many digits)
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:44 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nishant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

not necessarily but if you bend the frame, insurance companies will total it. you will not be able to push the car hard in corners if you have a non staggered set up. by this i mean compared to the oem wheel set up. the only way i see a non staggered set up is with serious suspension modification but thats $$$$$ (yes that many digits)</TD></TR></TABLE>

awesome help fellahs thanks again.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:52 AM
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no prob
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 01:47 PM
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What about over staggering? Larger in back and say same size in front.
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 01:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by qi_doy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What about over staggering? Larger in back and say same size in front.</TD></TR></TABLE>

huh?
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 01:53 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra type s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

is 35offset really that bad on the s2k? it looks mean on my RSX. im tryin to keep my regamasters evo's and put them on an s2k i am looking forward to purchasing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

35offset is way to low for an 8 inch wide wheel.. it's even way to low for a 7.5 inch wide wheel......

you want to be in the upper 40's at the least and thats stretching it..... you really want to stay in the 50's and 60's when it comes to offsets....

with the 8 inch wide wheels you want to be 48 or higher....
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 01:55 PM
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WORST OF ALL IT LOOKS GAY!!!!!!!
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 02:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by qi_doy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What about over staggering? Larger in back and say same size in front.</TD></TR></TABLE>

handling will vary... but you want to keep similar to the stock difference... however the rears can be about half and inch to an inch wider... for instance

stock is...
16x6.5 +55
16x7.5 +65

so keep the width of the rear wheel 1 inch to 1 1/2 inches larger then the front... going 2 inches wider might be ok but the handling will vary
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 02:23 PM
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so what do you say to an:
front: 17x9.0 +63 offset
rear: 17x9.0 +40
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 02:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eg_adam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what do you say to an:
front: 17x9.0 +63 offset
rear: 17x9.0 +40</TD></TR></TABLE>

that doesn't make sense...
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 08:48 PM
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You can run the same size front and back if you want, its your car. The car is going to have more turn in (oversteer) but on these cars I would say that is a good thing. They already push (understeer) way to much, for my taste anyway. The J's racing track car runs the same size wheels front and back and has no problems. I dont know why all the S2Ki boys and others get all freaked out when ppl dont stager. But like said, the sizes you listed arnt going to fit right. Find another wheel.
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 09:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 03s2kblue &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

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what doesnt make sense about that?

the wheels are the same size, but the rears will be pushed out more than the front. will that make up for the stagger?
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 09:36 PM
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it has to do with the amount of grip. with that setup, while the track is set correctly, the amount of grip would be the same as a non-staggard setup.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bryant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can run the same size front and back if you want, its your car. The car is going to have more turn in (oversteer) but on these cars I would say that is a good thing. They already push (understeer) way to much, for my taste anyway. The J's racing track car runs the same size wheels front and back and has no problems. I dont know why all the S2Ki boys and others get all freaked out when ppl dont stager. But like said, the sizes you listed arnt going to fit right. Find another wheel.</TD></TR></TABLE>

j's racing runs that due to restrictions
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra type s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

what doesnt make sense about that?

the wheels are the same size, but the rears will be pushed out more than the front. will that make up for the stagger?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no that will not make up for the stagger... and the +40 offset on a 9inch wide wheel is going to stick out like a ****..... like i said earlier if you're going that wide you need to be in the 50's at the least and 60's to be right...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bryant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can run the same size front and back if you want, its your car. The car is going to have more turn in (oversteer) but on these cars I would say that is a good thing. They already push (understeer) way to much, for my taste anyway. The J's racing track car runs the same size wheels front and back and has no problems. I dont know why all the S2Ki boys and others get all freaked out when ppl dont stager. But like said, the sizes you listed arnt going to fit right. Find another wheel.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ummm if your S has understeer you're not driving it to it's potential... stop baby'n it, and drive the damn thing....

and the J's racing track car runs the same size because of race regulations/restrictions...... if you wanted to make a case about same size wheels you should of mentioned the amuse touge car..... but even there i think they are using differnt size tires.. (not 100% sure on that)
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