Just seeing if anyone is running Fast-Turbo's Stage 3 gator axles modified to fit stock hubs on a 600hp car or is it worth upgrading to full stage 3 with hubs. I know the Stage 3 with out the hub are rated at 550hp , and the full stage 3 are rated around 650+hp, but can I get away with out spending $1300 on axles?

 

we ran stage3 Gator on our 480whp car and one cr@pped out on us. Glen and FastTurbo are ignoring us about replacing the one that broke. They said to send it in and nothing so far... been 6months.. F-T please PM me....lets settle this dilemma asap!!!

 

i have an all motor car. personally i broke 3 gator stage 2 axles last yr. i dealt directly with glen on the situation and he replaced each one as quickly as the hurricanes allowed him to.
now ive upgraded to stage 3s with hub and have only been on the dyno. i really cant say i trust these things to hold. if and when i break one im gettin my money back but keeping my hubs. a stage 3 axle shouldnt break on a all motor car only making 220+WHP.

 

I would be very unhappy if the aftermarket axles I ran broke 3 times in one season. I launch the hell out of my car for 3 years on the same stock axles and not one problem.

What is so special with the stage 2 axles? Are they treated or made of different material?

 

I have the hybrid stage 3's on my 500whp integra with no problems so far but have yet to launch on slicks....I guess we will find out this summer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 2 NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have an all motor car. personally i broke 3 gator stage 2 axles last yr. i dealt directly with glen on the situation and he replaced each one as quickly as the hurricanes allowed him to.
now ive upgraded to stage 3s with hub and have only been on the dyno. i really cant say i trust these things to hold. if and when i break one im gettin my money back but keeping my hubs. a stage 3 axle shouldnt break on a all motor car only making 220+WHP.

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yeah bro...our axle broke the same way as the 1st picture. Don't tell me that our alignment was off, our suspension bushing was ripped, we need a traction bar, spool, etc etc....... we have those and more!!! Stock axles we already pushed out about 450whp....and ran numerous mid 10sec runs... BOosted 2-3psi more so basically still under 500whp and broke these stage3's after 3 runs. I need Glen and Fast-Turbo to do something about it ASAP...been awhile already. PM me guys.
I will be using these stage3 for my street car 400whp only now!!! Please get a hold of me guys....

 

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you'll see...... we were running the 25x8.7x13 M&H.... you may be ok if you run the m/t's 24.5x7x13.....

 

it was weird, in my situation i ran stock axles (broke 1) for all of 02 and 03 seasons, then in 04 with the exact same motor/weight/etc i started breaking the stockers (3), then i moved to the gator axles and broke 3 MORE, yes u saw that correctly 6 in a season.
granted once i got the gator axles i then had swapped to a 2L motor. it still doesnt explain why i broke 3 stockers on the old 1.8L that i had in the car for the beginning of its 3rd season.

o yeah, i guess i should point out that the car gets preloaded through the clutch, i launch at 8-9.5k, sprung clutch, ive had both ITR diff and spool in tranny and its got polyurethane bushings around. i pull upper 1.6 60s.

 

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you'll see...... we were running the 25x8.7x13 M&H.... you may be ok if you run the m/t's 24.5x7x13.....

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Well I plan on running 24.5x8.5.13 M&H. Which Stan said should be fine at the 500whp level but I guess we will see. Are you preloading before launching?

 

Its not always the axles fault that it breaks... there are two other huge issues... one, is that the car can cause the fault, or launching the car wrong. Two, is the owner of the car trying to save money by buying an axle stage that is below what he knows his car needs, and then when the car does its job and makes the power, and the axle breaks, he blames the axle... well duh, did you expect it to hold up? LoL..

Are any of you that are breaking the axles running -any- kind of wheelspacer at all on your hubs? Is your steering rack solidly mounted? bushings tight? balljoints super tight and not loose?

Any 'slack' in the system that is allowed to 'snap into place' on the line is room for axles to break regardless of the stage of axle.

Anyhoo, i've run Gator axles in my old car for a long time, and i never had a problem wiht them.. this was with about 300hp, 24.5x8" slicks, running 117mph in the 1/4 on Gator Stage 2's, launching at about 7000rpm in a full-weight street CRX. The axles held fine

The only reason i'm not running the Gator axles in my new car, is that Gator does not make a stage for a car like this... If i build another street car for myself, i know which axles imma gonna go with though.. hehe


By the way, for you guys yelling on the board for Glenn to get a hold of you, Glenn does not really cruise through the boards here.. that is the responsability of Stan, his distributor... you'll probably get more response by calling up Stan directly and talking to him rather than leaving a note that he may not see on this board..

 

damm, i should be a gator axle distributor, i cruise these pages very often on a more serious note, i too broke an axle like that. but i found out that it might have been my fault, because i might have not tighten the axle nut tight enough! as soon as i called glen, he asked me to ship the axle to him for inspection. i shipped it monday(fedex overnight), and it was back in my hands that same friday. he asked me to ship him the other axle at my convenience, so that he could replace it(eventhough it wasn't broken) because he felt there was a manufacturing defect. he also meet me at one of our local races, and told me to ship him the axles at the end of the year so that he could freshen them up. i can't say nothing but positive things about glenn, but if you have problem with the product get in touch with him. he'll take care of you, as he took care of me! good luck in 05 everyone!

 

stage 2's with 390whp on a customer car on a low tq ls/vtec civic with just 22-8-15 inch slicks





upgraded to stage 3's we will see this season

 

stan and glenn are both great guys i have had lots of axles from them and ive never had a problem cortney green and i are both runnign some new 300m axles glenn makes and there nice so far and i garrentee u glenn will give u the best customer support you could ever ask for just call him or stan there both great people

 

i just had a thought, the only other thing that i did was switch to M&H slicks. i did jump up to a bigger size but only by 1". i wonder if that was my axles problems.

im goin back to MT slicks this yr due to the fact that when i had my MT 22/8/15 i pulled high 1.6s all day long, then i jumped to my 23s ran low 1.7s to upper 1.6s. then i added my 2L and still squeaked out high 1.6s with 20+WHP & 20ft lbs more torque. this is a bit off topic but i thought this might apply cause thats the only thing i changed from 03 to 04. the 2L was added in about june of 04.

 

Doesn't look like the stage 2's are any stronger than a stock axle to me. What are they made of that is supposed to make them stronger?

Thats one reason I have not upgraded to aftermarket axles. I see people breaking axles that are 5x the cost of a aftermarket direct replacement and still breaking them. Then having to go through the hassle of shipping broken pieces back and waiting for a replacement.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxmatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doesn't look like the stage 2's are any stronger than a stock axle to me. What are they made of that is supposed to make them stronger?

Thats one reason I have not upgraded to aftermarket axles. I see people breaking axles that are 5x the cost of a aftermarket direct replacement and still breaking them. Then having to go through the hassle of shipping broken pieces back and waiting for a replacement. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yep thats why i run stock axles on my 460whp 400wtq accord and leaving on 2step but u have to know how to drive

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 2 NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i just had a thought, the only other thing that i did was switch to M&H slicks. i did jump up to a bigger size but only by 1". i wonder if that was my axles problems.

im goin back to MT slicks this yr due to the fact that when i had my MT 22/8/15 i pulled high 1.6s all day long, then i jumped to my 23s ran low 1.7s to upper 1.6s. then i added my 2L and still squeaked out high 1.6s with 20+WHP & 20ft lbs more torque. this is a bit off topic but i thought this might apply cause thats the only thing i changed from 03 to 04. the 2L was added in about june of 04.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did you go to a 13" rim with the M&H's?

 

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Did you go to a 13" rim with the M&H's? </TD></TR></TABLE>

no i still had my 15" rims with the M&H 23s. i now have bogarts and am goin to 24.5/7/13 MTs.

 

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I know of another peson whos gator axles broke in thee exact same spot. If a lot of people are having this problem I definetly think something is up.

I've never had any issues on my Car-Quest rebuilds, and will continue to use them. 100 bucks a pop is a lot easier on my wallet, especially if I'm not breaking them all the time.

 

I've got a question, why are these axles rated by hp and not torque?

 

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I've never understood that either. DSS rates their's by HP as well...

 

I always think the same thing????Why ??????

 

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maybe cause HP takes into account the gearing. the axle comes after the gears. but really, they should be rated by 60' time in my opinion.

 

i just broke my gator stage 3 axles like in the pictures above. i have full race traction bars and was on street tires. this was done on low boost so about 360 hp.

 

has anyone here broken the gator axles with the larger hub?