whats up everybody!
I am about to lower my car and not sure which is a better way to go. I want just a fairly good ride quality for a daily driver.

1. get some cheaper coilovers "like aerospeed" and some kyb.
or...
2. get ground control coilovers and leave the stock shocks

thanks for any advice

 

imo a sleeve is a sleeve assuming it fits correctly. go with option 1, kyb > stock.

 

Anybody else have an input?

 

i would go with the arospeed coilovers, yeah they're cheap, yeah they're stiff, but the adjustability of the kyb's (or illuminas if you wanna go just a little better) will either soften or stiffen your ride with a simple a

thats what my exact setup is...i heard of guys actually praising arospeeds after they have actually bought them

 

I would do neither.

You can't cut corners with suspension and expect any kind of decent performance.

If you're looking for a decent ride quality and good performance for a reasonable price screw crappy coilovers.

Just get a quality progressive spring and a good set of struts.

Be honest with yourself...how often are you gonna be changing your ride height? Coil over weather crappy sleeves or the real deal aren't for everyone.

Don't skimp.

 

i think that last comment is crap....people get coilovers to adjust height. im getting them because i need to adjust height in the winter, and there isn't any springs to get EXACTLY what i want.....

and with the "crappy coilovers" and the bad performance you speak of...they can be stiff, but thats where the struts come in, if the struts are adjustable...you dont need to worry about the stiffness of the coilovers.

 

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springs - affect amount of movement
shock - affect rate of movement

they do two totally different things, don't get them mixed up

 

well i do need to get the coilover setup for height adjustment for the winter.
so the kyb shocks will do better with crapy coilovers, then the ground control coilover on stock shocks?
I did hear that ground control uses eibach springs and that there spring rate is good.
So which one???

 

The nice thing about going with Ground Controls is you can specify exactly what spring rates you want to have.

There are quite a few deals where people are selling thier older "softer" GC/Eibach springs (they're actually a stiffer rate than stock, but sometimes a racer wants to get really stiff springs and sell the standard ones that came with the kit.)

The ground controls have nice quality too, so when you go to change them in the springtime, there is less a chance of them being seized up or corroded away than with a lesser-quality brand.

You can always add better shocks later on and you'll eventually have the best of both worlds.

 

man i can'nt make up my mind. this form is 50/50 on the two setups

 

do neither. ask yourself what's worse:

1) having your suspension collapse because of a poorly made spring, or a badly made collar.

2) having your shocks blow out because they can't handle the lack of travel, and before they do riding on the bumpstops all the time.

solution is to save a little more money, get the ground controls and the AGX's. you can't trust arospeed sleeves, and all sleeves are not created equal.

 

i thought GC's would only fit well on koni's?

 

When you buy GCs, you either get the one type that is for konis, or you get the other type that is for tokico, kyb etc.

 

with GC what spring rate would be compatible with H&Rs sport springs on a civic? (what i corrently have) but i just want to go lower and be able to adjust height i also have tockico blues thanks for the feed back

 

To the original thread starter:

I purchased a set of GC coilovers (400f & 250r on a stock 94CX w/ 16" rims) & kept my OEM shocks. At the time I had around 100k miles on the car. When I finally swaped in some Koni Sports I was up to 155k. My OEM shocks were still in really good condition when removed (no leaks or anything). The ride was NEVER bouncy w/ OEM shocks, and I had my car lowered 2.5"f & 2.25"r. Keep in mind that I drove very carefully over nasty roads, and most of miles were on nice Vegas freeways. I have, however, definently had my share of nasty bumps scrapes and unavoidable road hazzards...

for GC & OEM shocks...

 

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What does this mean...

No GC springs would be compatible with another spring...

 

why get coilovers? why not get some decent springs and then get kybs

 

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What does this mean...

No GC springs would be compatible with another spring...</TD></TR></TABLE>
what spring rate are the H&R sport springs? so i could more less match the ride to a set of GC. whats a good rate daily driven civic (not too stiff nor to soft) ?

 

I don't know for sure, but chances are that H&R sport springs are a progressive rate. This means that to duplicate the exact effect with GC springs, you would need 8 springs (4 regular springs & 4 tender springs) and 4 spring couplers to mate the pairs together. Now your talking big $$$. I'm not a big fan of progressive springs, but they deffinently serve their purpose (comfy performance street ride or off road supsension)...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know for sure, but chances are that H&R sport springs are a progressive rate. This means that to duplicate the exact effect with GC springs, you would need 8 springs (4 regular springs & 4 tender springs) and 4 spring couplers to mate the pairs together. Now your talking big $$$. I'm not a big fan of progressive springs, but they deffinently serve their purpose (comfy performance street ride or off road supsension)...</TD></TR></TABLE>
ok i understand that so with GC what would be a "decent" ride? what sping rate should i get to have some kind of meet point between ok ride and hadling

 

I'm gonna tell you what I tell everybody else, call ground controll directly. Their open till 4pm Pacific time (I think), and those guys really know hondas. Tell them what you want from your car and what you will be using it for. They do it every day (with all different kinds of swaps too), so they know their $hit...

Ground-Control Suspension Systems
530-677-8600

 

get shocks first and use with stock springs.

then get ground controls, or any other quality spring kit.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm gonna tell you what I tell everybody else, call ground controll directly. Their open till 4pm Pacific time (I think), and those guys really know hondas. Tell them what you want from your car and what you will be using it for. They do it every day (with all different kinds of swaps too), so they know their $hit...

Ground-Control Suspension Systems
530-677-8600
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alright man thanks alot again i'll do that