or would something like that require cracking the block open?

i dont want to use forced induction

 

i'm at just under 200whp and i have every possible bolt-on...as well as a fully built bottom end! 250whp is impossible with just bolt-ons and not touching the bottom end.

 

btw, what are you refering to when you say MAJOR bolt-ons?

 

that kind of power n/a would probably take a lot of money. I'm thinking 1.8 bored out to 2.0 maybe 2.1, high cr like 12.5:1 or higher, and a nice stage 3 cam plus the best bolt ons for that setup might get you there. Sorry n/a horsepower ain'y cheap.

 

Why is n/a power cheap? I mean, doesn't a turbo cost like $3k? If that's true, couldn't you build a nice N/A motor for that much, alone? Btw, that is a question, not a smart *** comment.

Thank you

 

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Thank you</TD></TR></TABLE>

you could build a nice n/a motor with $3k but it wouldnt make near the hp to a $3k FI motor

 

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Thank you</TD></TR></TABLE>

n/a power is FAR FAR more expensive than boosted power.

u can buy a turbo kit for say, 2900 (the peak boost kit) and get 300 WHP out of 10 psi on a stock motor. thats about 150 hp over stock (to the wheels) for $300

have u EVER seen 300 whp out of an n/a b series motor? hell no. the 10 sec civic is only like 270, and think of all that financial backing. its unreal!

the power from forced induction, just....owns.

 

by major, i mean everythikng you can think of.

i just didnt want to have to pull the block apart. thats the only reason i dont want to.
i'm looking for very snappy responding motor/drivetrain. just thought i could nab those kinds of h/p numbers without rebuilding the block.

 

Very nicely put. I now understand the difference. So FI is the only way to go if you want more than 200whp and don't want to break the bank (well no more than $3k).

Thanks for the thorough explanation.

 

dude u could put in the fattest cams that u could find and their not going to make any difference unless u boost the compression way the **** up there. also while ur doing this ur say rods, and even cylinders are going to face a very hazardous experience. so ur going to have to build the block i.e. sleeve's, balance crank, blue print and balance the block, bore cylinders, dude i could go on for ever. theres no way that u could reach 300whp in a NA motor without the bottom end being made over

 

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agreed. I've got a LS block up at king motorsports which is being built for 250 N/A HP, and, I think that when all thigns are said and done, I'm gonna be spending close to eight grand... ...oh yeah...it's gonna be a LS/Vtec

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hott-nix &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">or would something like that require cracking the block open?

i dont want to use forced induction</TD></TR></TABLE>
impossible.
250 is a totally race car

 

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that's not true. I'm having 250 whp built for street, with close to reliability of a regular Honda engine. The trick is to use as many OEM parts as possible. Call King Motorsports at 262-786-8360, and talk to them. Very helpful people.

 

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gas prices will be a bitch.. 250 hp is too much for the streets for a honda? my thoughts

 

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True, gas will be a bitch, but, I think that if you know how to handle a powerful car, it won't be too much HP. Anyways, there's a lot of people running just that much power with turbos, and they don't seem to have any problems

 

250whp in an n/a street car? what c/r? race gas? i had the hook up, but my motor would have cost about $5000. fully built, balanced, and blue printed. this is my daily driver. it's got 10.5:1 c/r and she runs on pump gas. your car won't be runnin on pump gas and that'll make for about $50 a fill up! ouch! good luck though, it'll definately be fun to drive!

 

You can majorly bolt on a turbo kit and make 250...

 

Bolt on turbo! Woot!

 

250whp gsr N/A?.......good luck my friend

 

yea , he said bolt ons... no way in hell your gonna hit 250whp N/A with bolt ons. You'd be lucky to even break 200whp. the amount of money you will spend to make even 200whp you can have a sick turbo set up and be making way better power and way better torque.

 

NOS...250whp no problem.

 

yeah i would have said Nitrious all the way.... But hey..

u know.. i dont think a GSR n/a can reach 250 hp.. 2 much money''


now a b20/vtec setup? **** YEA .. i guarentee u can make it with probably only spending 1/2-3/4 of thje money on a GSR setup.

i got a extra LS block and 2 LS heads and manifolds layign around.. im thinking about LS/VTEC Turbo.. But i drive home to redding alot from SOcal, OUCH

 

ya I think 250 hp would require some nice headwork...

Def possible, but not with just bolt-ons
-Mike

 

Not a chance.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AngelTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ya I think 250 hp would require some nice headwork...

Def possible, but not with just bolt-ons
-Mike</TD></TR></TABLE>

It is possibble with bolt ons including NOS. stock GSR shortblock. 255whp