Trying to use Ethanol instead of Methanol and need to know where to get it and possible which has been best mixture vs performance, perhaps even the cost as well.

How has maintenance been for the racers actually using it ... do you actually go 10-12 passes an event then change oil and startup with c16 fuel ? let me know what to expect.

thanks,
Greg

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CHEETAH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Trying to use Ethanol instead of Methanol and need to know where to get it and possible which has been best mixture vs performance, perhaps even the cost as well.

How has maintenance been for the racers actually using it ... do you actually go 10-12 passes an event then change oil and startup with c16 fuel ? let me know what to expect.

thanks,
Greg</TD></TR></TABLE> ethanol is not as hard on parts as is methanol but methanol make more power but ethanol is n02 friendly and you can go 6+ pass on oil change one, weekend

 

where can u buy it?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast is fun &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ethanol is not as hard on parts as is methanol but methanol make more power but ethanol is n02 friendly and you can go 6+ pass on oil change one, weekend </TD></TR></TABLE>

any comparison in power (allmotor or turbo) between ethanol vs methanol ? I odnt mind sacrificing a few horses for less maintenance at an event, but if we're talking 15-20 horses, screw it, will tkae the chance with Meth.

thnaks
greg

 

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any comparison in power (allmotor or turbo) between ethanol vs methanol ? I odnt mind sacrificing a few horses for less maintenance at an event, but if we're talking 15-20 horses, screw it, will tkae the chance with Meth.

thnaks
greg</TD></TR></TABLE>
bump???

 

We use it we dont even flush our system you can get it from a Company called Paralle products

 

you use meth and you dount flush ???

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skeletor_1320 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We use it we dont even flush our system you can get it from a Company called Paralle products</TD></TR></TABLE>

that is just crazy to me, unless there is some sort of new type of lubricating methonal out there that i am unaware of, which might be possible cause technology is crazy and i just dont know it all but that would be news to me and alot of people around here. methonal does not lubricate at all where as gas (petrol) will lubricate due to agents that are within its mixture, from what i have learned with methonal is that it has a very scouring effect on all parts of the fuel system, from the tank to the lines all the way down to the injectors. like i said i dont know it all but to my understanding you still have to "flush" the system out...

CHEETAH.... there are other precautionary measures that you take when making the switch to meth, i would recommend taking all the fuel lines and tank and rail off and soaking them in the methonal, and then drain and rinse in gas, this will free up residue throughout the fuel system before the initial start up of the methonal, if there is any residue this will cause an injector to be clogged and we all know how much that sucks. there are a couple of other things i could suggest but i dont know how much you already know about the whole process of making the "switch", lol. if there is anything i could help out with just holla at me.

as far as the power differences the characteristics of the 2 fuels are a little different, first off methonal only has an MON rating of i believe 91 but where the big things is about meth is its Latent Heat of Evap which is 472, where as the ethonal has an MON of 92 which is 1pt, but hey one point sounds good sometimes, but the LHE is one only 410. they both weigh 8 lb/gal, and they other big element is the heat energy that these two fuels differ in methonal on one end has a btu/lb 9,800 and the ethonal is 12,500. just to put this into perspective c16 i believe has a heat energy rating of 19,000 btu/lb. thats a big difference, lol.

so to figure out how much more power you would make on methonal compared to ethonal you will have to take your two desired air fuel ratio's, divide the desired ratio of the ethonal tune by the desired ratio of the methonal tune, take that number and multiply that by the btu/lb rating of the methonal which is 9800, now take that number and multiply that by 100, then divide that by the btu/lb of the ethonal which is 12,500, then subtract 100 and you will have the percentage of how much more heat energy will be created.

Miller

 

also any dealer of VP racing fuels should be able to get you either of the fuels your looking to obtain....

Miller

 

you can run no2 with meth just fine. I dont know why everyone always says that you cant.

 

we change oil every pass or every other pass with methanol, it makes the oil all milky because the vapors get around the rings and contaminate the oil.

 

thanks for the feedback, yup aware of all the maintenance requirements, just needed to maek a decision of which to use ...

ralphy is doing all the tuning ...

thanks,
greg