Best camshafts for individual throttle bodies?
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Re: best cams for indiviual throttle bodies anyone ????? (Big Phat R)
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who makes those again?
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who makes those again?
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hmmm... The s2s2's have been tried and tried over and over with great results from many people.
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hmmm... The s2s2's have been tried and tried over and over with great results from many people.
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Re: best cams for indiviual throttle bodies anyone ????? (whytTypeR)
ok this is what is done to my engine brand new unused short bottom end block form acura,i have 8.8lb act flywheel forum racing pulley set.jdm headers . know i want to buy the TWM Throttle Bodies 2000 Series ITB's (50mm) *without vacumm cannister but want to know what i should add so engine wont screw up i know i need to get a fuel management system like hondata but i dont know which one either HELP!!!!!
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hmmm... The s2s2's have been tried and tried over and over with great results from many people.
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any good cams made for the compression you have is what you need, itbs will help the cams flow great with the compression you will be working with but cams are not intended for itbs but for compression of your motor. so i recommend some skunk2 stg2s, bc3+s or toda Bs.
hmmm... The s2s2's have been tried and tried over and over with great results from many people.
to trial user</TD></TR></TABLE> any good cams made for the compression you have is what you need, itbs will help the cams flow great with the compression you will be working with but cams are not intended for itbs but for compression of your motor. so i recommend some skunk2 stg2s, bc3+s or toda Bs.
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Re: best cams for indiviual throttle bodies anyone ????? (whytTypeR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whytTypeR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok this is what is done to my engine brand new unused short bottom end block form acura,i have 8.8lb act flywheel forum racing pulley set.jdm headers . know i want to buy the TWM Throttle Bodies 2000 Series ITB's (50mm) *without vacumm cannister but want to know what i should add so engine wont screw up i know i need to get a fuel management system like hondata but i dont know which one either HELP!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
It sounds like running ITB's will cause you more harm than good.
I'd stick with a stock ITR intake manifold, if I were you.
It sounds like running ITB's will cause you more harm than good.
I'd stick with a stock ITR intake manifold, if I were you.
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hmmm... The s2s2's have been tried and tried over and over with great results from many people.
to trial user</TD></TR></TABLE>
hmmm... The s2s2's have been tried and tried over and over with great results from many people.
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Import Review 8/10/03 Cams: Skunk Type 2 VS Toda Spec D AGAIN
http://www.importreview.com/re....html
Import Review 6/12/03 Skunk Type 2 and 3 VS Toda Spec D
http://www.importreview.com/re....html
I have a '96 Spec ITR w/ TWM ITB's and have had them on for 2 years now. I'll be running the S2S2 this year and I know I will have great results. I wish you the best of luck...
http://www.importreview.com/re....html
Import Review 6/12/03 Skunk Type 2 and 3 VS Toda Spec D
http://www.importreview.com/re....html
I have a '96 Spec ITR w/ TWM ITB's and have had them on for 2 years now. I'll be running the S2S2 this year and I know I will have great results. I wish you the best of luck...
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If you do not have a fuel management setup figured out at this stage, I do not think you should be interested in what camshafts to run.
For stock compression, and 50mm ITB's, you can definately see an improvement using a moderately large cam. ITB's love to feed on as much air as they can get their hands on, so a cam with large primaries and large VTEC lobes would be ideal.
The new Skunk2 Pro-1 cams are a good choice. They have a very healthy midrange and top-end. They are stronger throughout the powerband compared to the BC 3's, and 3+'s. I would consider running these. What is even better, is that they will suit you well down the road if/when you up your compression.
As for fuel management, it is very possible to run Hondata. There are many people who use Hondata/Uberdata for their ITB's and have very driveable cars.
However, the problem with ITB's is that they do not create enough vacumn at anything above idle, so the MAP sensor has a hard time distinguishing what load the car is under. You really need an EMS style tuning software/hardware like AEM, MoTec, Haltec. Those EMS's will allow you to tune based off a combination of Throttle Position and MAP sensor.
The new Crome beta also has TPS tunability, and is free, but requires you to be mechanically/technically inclined to tune yourself. That is unless you find a local tuner that knows the Crome interface.
Good luck,
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For stock compression, and 50mm ITB's, you can definately see an improvement using a moderately large cam. ITB's love to feed on as much air as they can get their hands on, so a cam with large primaries and large VTEC lobes would be ideal.
The new Skunk2 Pro-1 cams are a good choice. They have a very healthy midrange and top-end. They are stronger throughout the powerband compared to the BC 3's, and 3+'s. I would consider running these. What is even better, is that they will suit you well down the road if/when you up your compression.
As for fuel management, it is very possible to run Hondata. There are many people who use Hondata/Uberdata for their ITB's and have very driveable cars.
However, the problem with ITB's is that they do not create enough vacumn at anything above idle, so the MAP sensor has a hard time distinguishing what load the car is under. You really need an EMS style tuning software/hardware like AEM, MoTec, Haltec. Those EMS's will allow you to tune based off a combination of Throttle Position and MAP sensor.
The new Crome beta also has TPS tunability, and is free, but requires you to be mechanically/technically inclined to tune yourself. That is unless you find a local tuner that knows the Crome interface.
Good luck,
-Marshall-
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Higher compression, larger cams, good tuning. That would be a good starting point.
If you crave more power after that, the option of sleeving a block to 2.0L is always there.
How much money you are willing to spend, and what kind of life the car will have (street, strip, track...etc) will all dictate what power you will want.
ITB's do help boast power, but bench flows have shown modified and aftermarket Plenum style Intake Manifolds can be close to, or even exede that of ITB's. I know the AIR Intake Manifold has very good flow characteristics. Also, Endyn has posted up flow charts of 45 and 50mm ITB flow charts, along with their modified Skunk2 Intake Manifold, and they were all within 1-2cfm of eachother (~.500 lift).
Most people use ITB's to improve engine response, which is often criticle for road courses, circuit racing, etc.
Higher compression, larger cams, good tuning. That would be a good starting point.
If you crave more power after that, the option of sleeving a block to 2.0L is always there.
How much money you are willing to spend, and what kind of life the car will have (street, strip, track...etc) will all dictate what power you will want.
ITB's do help boast power, but bench flows have shown modified and aftermarket Plenum style Intake Manifolds can be close to, or even exede that of ITB's. I know the AIR Intake Manifold has very good flow characteristics. Also, Endyn has posted up flow charts of 45 and 50mm ITB flow charts, along with their modified Skunk2 Intake Manifold, and they were all within 1-2cfm of eachother (~.500 lift).
Most people use ITB's to improve engine response, which is often criticle for road courses, circuit racing, etc.
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Re: best cams for indiviual throttle bodies anyone ????? (whytTypeR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whytTypeR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">TWM Throttle Bodies 2000 Series ITB's (50mm) *without vacuum canister </TD></TR></TABLE>
You really need a vacuum canister, particularly if you plan on daily driving your car. Your brake booster requires vacuum, as well as your PCV system. You also need a stable vacuum signal to your FPR and MAP sensor. ITBs are not just plug and play; lots of tuning is required to make a car behave in a civilized manner with ITBs.
You really need a vacuum canister, particularly if you plan on daily driving your car. Your brake booster requires vacuum, as well as your PCV system. You also need a stable vacuum signal to your FPR and MAP sensor. ITBs are not just plug and play; lots of tuning is required to make a car behave in a civilized manner with ITBs.
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Re: (JDM_DC2_2001)
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You're a tool. Have you had any experience with them personally? Thought so.
Have em in my car and I love em.
You're a tool. Have you had any experience with them personally? Thought so.
Have em in my car and I love em.
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