after installtion of "window roll-up" for my alarm, my passenger side mirror stopped working.

i took it ack to the shop that did the installation, and they said the the window relay has nothing to do with the mirror motor or relay.

anyways, does anyone know what can be wrong.

 

Does the mirror motor run or not?

Not: Probably there's a wire unplugged somewhere. Just because the window relay doesn't have anything to do with the mirrors, but maybe they accidentally pulled a wire loose?

Runs: Check whether the mirror itself has popped off from the little ball/socket things of the motor.

 

well, it moves sideways, but no up or down ways.

i can move the mirror left or right, but it wont move up and down.

so something is wrong.

 

I do not mean this negatively in any way; but by judging by the amount of posts you've started with all these car problems leads me to believe that you seriously need to take your car to a mechanic to get some serious work done.

 

mechanics charge by the hour.

the prblems i have isnt really life threatning.

mirriors not moving up and down. - rather try to fix myself.

check engine light = yes, i should take to the mechanic.

ignition timing defective = yes i should take it back to the place that did my timing belt.

 

when you push the up/down keys, do you hear the motor running? It might be a lose wire that goes to the other motor. Power mirrors usually have one motor to control up/down and another for sideways.

 

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highly doubt any loose wires.

check fuses.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confucius &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mechanics charge by the hour.

the prblems i have isnt really life threatning.

mirriors not moving up and down. - rather try to fix myself.

check engine light = yes, i should take to the mechanic.

ignition timing defective = yes i should take it back to the place that did my timing belt.</TD></TR></TABLE>


As an Acura technician. i'd take a check engine light and defective timing over any electrical malfunction.

 

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highly doubt any loose wires.

check fuses. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Clearly it's not a fuse seeing as it moves sideways and presuming the other mirror works. If this is only happening since the total closure setup was installed, then they must have disturbed a plug or wire or something. They would have had the door panels off. bring it back again and tell them to sort it out. Or just take the panel off again and check over the wiring to the miror.

And definately get that timing sorted before you have any permenant damage...this could be the cause of the CEL too.

 

when i push the up and down button, i do not hear anythig.

the driver side mirror works fine.

the passeger side moves side ways but not up and down.

i have no idea.

i took it back to the place that did my window roll up for the alram, and they told me that the installation had nothing to do with the mirrors. and that i was trying to rip them off.

 

what can a defective timing do?

i drove on it for about 2weeks and did travel far to a indian casino without knowing that my timing was off.

are there any effects of a bad timing?

i did notice that my car is shaking now.

no bad, but just out of the ordinary.

 

Each mirror has 2 motors, one for up/down and the other for left/right.

First check the mirror glass itself. See if it feels loose. If so, then the socket on the back of the mirror glass has simply come off the balljoint on the up/down motor. You can firmly but carefully "pop" the socket back onto the balljoint. Be careful not to break the glass.

Now there are 3 wires going to each mirror. One power wire supplying both motors, and a ground wire for each motor. The harness connector is right behind the little triangular panel on the inside of the door, so you could pull that off and see if a wire has pulled out of the harness.

If not, then find out from the place that did the installation EXACTLY what all they did to the car. If they had to install anything behind the door panels, then I would highly suspect that the ground wire from the up/down motor somehow got cut or something while they were in there. You might try removing the door panel and following the harness from where it comes out of the mirror to see if you see any evidence of cut or damaged wires.

If it is an electrical problem, then it is definitely that up/down motor's ground wire, since you said left/right works, so the power wire is fine. Look for a yellow wire with a white stripe in the passenger side mirror harness, that will be the problem wire if it is an electrical problem.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Each mirror has 2 motors, one for up/down and the other for left/right.

First check the mirror glass itself. See if it feels loose. If so, then the socket on the back of the mirror glass has simply come off the balljoint on the up/down motor. You can firmly but carefully "pop" the socket back onto the balljoint. Be careful not to break the glass.

Now there are 3 wires going to each mirror. One power wire supplying both motors, and a ground wire for each motor. The harness connector is right behind the little triangular panel on the inside of the door, so you could pull that off and see if a wire has pulled out of the harness.

If not, then find out from the place that did the installation EXACTLY what all they did to the car. If they had to install anything behind the door panels, then I would highly suspect that the ground wire from the up/down motor somehow got cut or something while they were in there. You might try removing the door panel and following the harness from where it comes out of the mirror to see if you see any evidence of cut or damaged wires.

If it is an electrical problem, then it is definitely that up/down motor's ground wire, since you said left/right works, so the power wire is fine. Look for a yellow wire with a white stripe in the passenger side mirror harness, that will be the problem wire if it is an electrical problem.</TD></TR></TABLE>


no, there isn't "2 motors" for each mirror. there is 1 actuator for each mirror. You either have a blown actuator or a blown no. 13 fuse in your under-dash fusebox. I'll bet on one of them being your problem. Forget the electrical crap, check for a loose connector at the actuator, maybe they forgot to plug it back in.

If i am wrong, there are other troubleshooting steps, but just try those first.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by loud_whispers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, there isn't "2 motors" for each mirror. there is 1 actuator for each mirror. You either have a blown actuator or a blown no. 13 fuse in your under-dash fusebox. I'll bet on one of them being your problem. Forget the electrical crap, check for a loose connector at the actuator, maybe they forgot to plug it back in.

If i am wrong, there are other troubleshooting steps, but just try those first. </TD></TR></TABLE>

do you understand how electrical circuits work? If the fuse was blown, he would have no power mirror functionality whatsoever. If there was only "1 actuator" as you say, and that was bad, then that mirror would not work at all. He said it still moves sideways but not up or down.

But anyway, I do believe this here would be "2 motors"

 

Oops I did have one mistake in my post above, there are actually 2 power wires, one for each motor, and a single ground wire for each. So if the up/down motor doesn't work, then there's probably a break in that motor's power wire.

 

i agree that there's probably a lose connection going into one of the motors. I would try to hook up power to the motor to see if it still works.

 

how do i take out the mirrors to check the motors?

 

well i'm sure the motors are fine, I highly doubt the install place took your mirrors apart while putting the stuff in. I would suspect a problem in the wiring harness either behind the door panel, or somewhere in the harness between the driver side door controls and the passenger side door, which unfortunately is going to be a major PITA to find. You definitely need wiring diagrams and harness locations from the Helms manual, hopefully you have one.

 

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do you understand how electrical circuits work? If the fuse was blown, he would have no power mirror functionality whatsoever. If there was only "1 actuator" as you say, and that was bad, then that mirror would not work at all. He said it still moves sideways but not up or down.

But anyway, I do believe this here would be "2 motors"
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Okay Patrick.
Now son, that is 1 actuator assembly. Go to a honda parts counter and ask for both integra power mirror motors for the left side.. they'll laugh at you.

I absolutely positively scrumdidilyumptiously know how an electrical circuit works. Let me ask you a question?

WHAT IS A FUSE? WHAT'S IT'S PURPOSE?

Well, let me answer for you.. it's a "safety device".. get it? SAFETY! A circuit can be powered without a fuse. For how long? maybe milliseconds, but it can be powered.

A fuse protects the circuit from high current draw going to the actual mechanism and destroying it. So it's more of a regulator, so to speak.

So let's say you have a blown fuse.. your getting all this power.. if the fuse is blown, it will break the band inside the fuse and "OPEN" the circuit. It's better the band inside the fuse break than the mechanism. So in an instance, your right..the fuse would kind of be out of the question. But i read the first post by him and he said the mirror "stopped working".

The kid has a bad actuator.. he needs to replace it. One of the "motors" as some people would say has been shorted or grounded out and therefore blown. The connector has to be plugged in or he wouldnt be getting any power to move the mirror sideways.

He's getting power all the way past that connector to move the mirror sideways.
Can't be the switch, Can't be an open, can't be a bad pin in the connector, can't be a short. The only thing left to assume is the actuator. replace it.

BTW, you have to buy the actuator as a whole. can't piece it out.
Happens in acura's all the time.. it's not uncommon.

The actuators are easy to replace-
pry off the mirror cover from the inside, above the door panel. Undo the white connector, take out your 3 or 4(i forget?) 8mm nuts that hold in the mirror and remove the complete assembly.. Pry off the mirror with a screwdriver and the rest is self explanitory. take the screws out of the actuator and re-install in reverse order.

good luck.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confucius &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do i take out the mirrors to check the motors?

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Okay, i told you what your problem is.
But if you want to learn some tech stuff, i'll show you some cool ****.

Take off the door panel. You'll see a 10 pin connector. Should be the biggest connector behind the door panel. Disconnect the connector.

You'll need a long piece of wire(s) and a jumpbox if you have one..if you don't have a jumpbox, you'll need a longer piece of wire(s) to run to the battery of the car to give you power and ground.

Ok, we're all set? we have our jumper wires? We have our power? ok.

On the 10 pin connector we were talking about, there is a BLACK/YELLOW wire in the back of the connector, Stick one of your jumper wires in there, it's better to wrap the jumper wire in a paperclip and stick the clip in the pin of the BLACK/YELLOW connector. On the other end of the wire, wrap it in another paperclip, stick the paper clip in the BLUE/WHITE pin.. Now you have BLACK/YELLOW and BLUE/WHITE jumped. They are ready..


Now, grab another piece of wire. with a paperclip. wrap the clip and stick the clip inside of the YELLOW/WHITE terminal..If you can't find a YELLOW/WHITE wire, then it will be a BLUE/BLACK wire. Now, take the other end of the wire and stick it on a BODY GROUND.. the best body ground in that area is the door striker..a little metal piece that your door lock latches onto..

Your all set?
turn the ignition switch on.

If you can comprehend all of that, the mirror will move, come back and tell us how the mirror moved and i'll tell you if they're are any open wires behind the panel or if i was right and to get a new actuator.

k?
have fun mr. acura tech!

 

don't suspect anything, actuators go bad. suspect that.

they weren't built to last the life of the car.

 

man you need to put aside that attitude. There's no need for that around here.

As I said, it could not possibly be a blown fuse, because if it were, there would be no mirror functionality whatsoever. There's only one fuse for both mirrors.

Now there are one of two possibilites:

1) the fact that this happened after installation of window control on his alarm is purley coincodence, or

2) the people that installed the alarm components screwed something up, causing the mirror to not work properly.

Now if #1 is the case, then yeah it could be the motor/acutator/whatever you want to call it. However I will say that my car is over 10 years old now and my mirrors still work fine w/ the original parts (I only changed the mirror covers when I had the car painted).

Now if #2 is the case, then I would be quite positive that all the mirror parts are fine. For no reason would anybody installing alarm components need to do anything inside the mirror. If one of the wires going to one of the motors in the actuator was cut or damaged, then it would disable the mirror operation in one direction (either up/down or left/right) but the other direction would still work, assuming only one wire got damaged.

 

yeah i agree, its not the fuse, cuz the mirror is working, but just one of the motor i guess, isnt.

i'll check saturday and we will settle this one and for all.

thanks for all the help and suggestions.

i think the alarm guy did let loose a wire or harness when they installed the window roll up thingy.

 

Before you do all that, go to a junk yard and get a power mirror button, my mirrors did the SAME EXACT THING, replaced the button and I was good to go

 

ok, now this guy is giving second thoughts.

how much are the button?

edit, i doubt its the button since the drive side works fine.