what is the difference in HP aspects which one is better?
do u guys think the ARC is any good? i've seen that the filter element is on top of the box that means that hot air is going in?

 

The ARC is a little bit of an unknown to me still, especially sice it is so difficult to test intakes on teh dyno. If I remember correctly Shane has the ARC in his car and maybe he can post his impressions.

here are some threads about the ARC:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=336546

 

The full ARC setup will boost midrange hp and torque and give you really nice throttle response since it has 2 velocity stacks (one in the box, one in the chamber). However, the stock panel airfilters are really restrictive (as Dave/SMSP pointed out to me) and will choke off your top end power. I'm going to upgrade to K&N filters for mine soon, but IMO, <u>the Mugen will spank it on the top end.</u>

The ARC box has one filter on TOP and one on the BOTTOM, so yea one is drawing in warm air. <u>But the real problem is the aluminum construction.</u> The heat from the radiator hoses becomes a real problem as it causes some serious heat soak. I've gone to using a hot water heater insulating material to block off the heat, works quite well

HTH

 

Maybe one day, i can post my airbox i am making.

No big name, but it will work.

 

Mugen is lighter

 

id go mugen

 

I've had both the ARC and Mugen Intakes on my ITR, I've also played around with using just the ARC Box or Just the ARC Chamber vs the whole system.
In my experiences the ARC Had pretty poor showings as far as Hp or Tq in some cases it showed minimal Hp gains and a few ft/lb of Tq lost. At best the full intake only made about 3-5 Hp on my ITR, which is about the Avg of what a Comptech Icebox produces, although the ARC had noticeable improvement in throttle response.
IMO the Mugen Hands out wins the competition of Best Intake for a B series, When I tested it against a few other intakes (ARC, Comptech, AEM, OEM) it won hands down with roughly 12-15hp gains in the Mid and an avg of 7-9 throughout, it also had a nice power spike from 3000 RPM and slowly faded into the curve around 4300 RPM (Where as the AEM has a Smaller Power spike at 3300 and only lasts for a few hundred RPM and drops off rather quick) The Mugen also had similar if not better throttle response than the ARC Setup. Also The Mugen is Lighter, Cheaper, and brings in cooler air than the ARC

Cliffnotes: Mugen

 

Mugen intake is

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When I tested it against a few other intakes (ARC, Comptech, AEM, OEM) it won hands down with roughly 12-15hp gains in the Mid and an avg of 7-9 throughout... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Holy Crap - I knew the Mugen intake was awesome, but I didn't know it was that good. 12-15hp from an intake is amazing.

Flux - who is checking how much money he could spend on a new intake without drawing too much attention from the wife...

 

Comptechs ice-box is a pretty similar set up to the mugen intake in that its an enclosed box with direct air feed from the lower fender well, does it make hp/torque numbers anywhere near mugens intake?

 

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All well and good Mike - and I agree (for the most part); too bad it's so hard to fit the damn Mugen in an EK with AC

 

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All well and good Mike - and I agree (for the most part); too bad it's so hard to fit the damn Mugen in an EK with AC </TD></TR></TABLE>

Its not THAT hard to get a mugen ITR intake into an EK with AC. It is a VERY tight fit but, it can be done with only minor difficulty IF you have a low profile radiator fan. I am not even sure it would fit with a stock fan . The AC lines pose almost no problem at all.

 

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Its not THAT hard to get a mugen ITR intake into an EK with AC. It is a VERY tight fit but, it can be done with only minor difficulty IF you have a low profile radiator fan. I am not even sure it would fit with a stock fan . The AC lines pose almost no problem at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Too late - I sold BOTH my Mugen intakes

 

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Haven't tried fitting one in an EK yet, is it much harder than the AC line massaging necessary to fit one in a DC2?

BTW Just so the Poster knows the AC Lines in a DC2 will have to be slightly bent in a few places to accomodate either the ARC or Mugen Boxes.

 

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Thats about as close of a comparison as the two can have though, HP wise and construction wise the Mugen is far superior. On most cars the most I have seen with a Comptech Icebox has been about 4-5hp

 

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Haven't tried fitting one in an EK yet, is it much harder than the AC line massaging necessary to fit one in a DC2?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No. The only issue with the EK AC lines is where the lip/plate bolts to the horizontal metal surface, behind the headlight (covered by the stock intake), to hold the mugen intake in place. You have to slip the lip/plate under the AC line and you can't bolt the lip/plate down. But, if you use the lower anchor, that goes around the horn, and bolts to the frame it should hold fine. You DO NOT need to bend/move any AC lines unless you are **** about bolting down the lip/plate. It is SO TIGHT there is NO WAY it is going anywhere

 

thanks for ur reply

 

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Shane,
Have you tried to see if the ARC intake arm will fit the Mugen intake on the EK?

Lucky i dun have to worry about those damn AC lines.....good to have RHD!

It's close to inpposible to find an ARC inatek arm in Kuala Lumpur,but the airbox is everywhere.....ALL of the shops i went to and ask this question said they havent seen anyone done it before and dont know if it'll work