I'm thinking about getting a new exhaust for my car. I was wondering preformance wise would I be better off going with 2.25in pipe and having a muffler shop custom bend it and weld it on to a muffler or go with a cat-back like the Apexi WS? I don't really like the looks of the WSII at all and don't really of the original WS but like it better. I like the look of the N1 a lot but don't want something that loud I want something around the noise level of the WS so if I decide to modify the exhaust will probably either go with the Apexi WS or have pipe bent and a muffler welded on but not sure which one I would see the best preformance gains from. I want a deep sounding muffler but not really loud one. I don't want to wake everyone up if I go out at night but still want it deep sounding.

 

Personally i had the custom piping with a muffler done at a shop.. and i would never do it again.. its so damn loud, and the piping is only as good as the guy doing it. I bought a w/s I, and i love it... it has a deep note, gave me low end power, and is just an all around good set-up. looks great too... i used to think they were ugly as hell till my cousin bought one for his lude... and i had to have one after i rode/saw his, trust me it looks good... i think the w/s II looks even better because of the placing of the exhaut tip, and the shape of it. Ive gotten soo many compliments on how my car sounds. The only advantage to a free flowing muffler, is the top end of the power band, but the w/s is awesome top end as well. If your going to go with a free flowing muffler, get the greddy evo. but please please... dont have a muffler shop do your piping unless you have seen theyre work, like (kteller --- on h-t somewhere). sorry if ive confused you in any way... do a search... there have been many debates about the greddy evo vs. the apex w/s. Peace.

 

depends on what shop is doing it, i had my local shop called "guarentee mufflers and brakes" do mine, they did a great job. sounds nice and isnt too loud, i got a greddy sp2 muffler i got from my buddy

 

I am wanting to get new exaust as well.
I wouldn't want a tip that is as loud as a lot of people I seen.
I like the deeper sound you described.

Anyone reccomend something with a link?
Thanks.

PS. whats the deal with the "trial user" thing? How long is that? and how would I become not a trial member??

 

The problem with the WS is that they hang really low...i mean REALLY low on Accords. I have one and i'm lowered 1.25" and it seems pretty low already.

Custom piping is good if they put in a decent sized resonator and a quality muffler. Look for an ES Oval muffler, or a Magnaflow.

http://www.performancepeddler.com has INSANELY good prices. I just got a stainless steel resonator from them for 40 shipped, a magnaflow for 57 shipped.

THey also have magnaflow exhausts for way under 400

 

How would custom 2.25inch piping or maybe Ktellers kit and this muffler work? http://performancepeddler.com/...14827
Or maybe a N1 muffler? How loud will they be I mean does anyone know how loud as in db's? I don't want to wake the whole neighborhood up when I drive at night as I said but want it deep sounding. A guy 2 houses down has a N1 style muffler on his civic I don't know if it is a real N1 or just an imitation but you can literally hear him a block away and still fell the exhaust in your chest it is rediculous and way too loud I don't want something like that but really like the look of the N1. I also don't want to get a ticket either. I'm also thinking about the WS or WSII not sure which but can't decide which one I want to go with.

 

I was looking on Nopi and noticed this cat back exhaust I like the look of this one a lot http://www.nopionline.com/nopi...01996 anyone know if it is a good exhaust? I am also worried it will be way too loud anyone have this one?

 

Magnaflows are some of the BEST performance exhausts, but due to their straight through design, they're pretty loud. I got a magnaflow and an 18" stainless steel resonator for my custom exhaust, but since it's not fabricated, and I dont have the car to put it on, I dont know it's decibel level. What I have done though is bought a magnaflow with no tip and welded an exhaust turndown on it. This points the exhaust at a 45* angle towards the ground, which helps dissapate the sound (since it's not pointed right at you). This should be an exhaust WAY below legal limits imo, which is why i'm building it- to not attract attention.

Your best bet is a custom with a decent size resonator (more than 12 inches for sure), an Apex'i (watch out, they hang low), Magnaflow (probably one of the better bangs for your buck due to the straight through and cheap made in america price), or GReddy (each one proven to be below legal limits)

Each one has its merits, but remember, you won't have a race car from any of these, you'll see 8 hp or so max from an exhaust

 

The nopi exhaust looks like a cheaper knockoff brand, so I dont know what the pros or cons would be...

 

Yeah I'm not expecting to have a race car I just have a big dent in the pipe on my car now and figure when fixing it replace the whole thing and go with a better exhaust. I like the Apexi exhausts a lot and like the looks of the Nopi one but know nothing about the company. I'm not real impressed with the looks of most of the magnaflow ones but they arnt too bad and that may be the way I end up going. I just want something quiet as I have a fairly loud exhaust on my truck and feel bad driving it at night as it seems to bother the neighbors and the one on there really isn't that loud even just louder than a normal exhaust and they neighbors don't seem to like it.

 

The problem with my Apex'i is that it has a deep rumble at idle...like a constant bass note. The exhaust itself is quiet but you get this booming noise at idle, I end up feeling bad for my neighbors. The WS is one of the quieter exhausts out there, but I love it because it's also one of the deepest sounding sport compact exhausts as well...none of that BRAPPP stuff...VROOOM....

I'd get the GReddy if you were worried about legal limits, Apex'i WS if you want to be sure and get a nice rumble out of it.

 

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your just saying that, you really wish the SE made mad tyte DOHC vtak noizez....
i found a sweet deal on RS*R Exmags, and am thinking about picking it up....hopefully i wont get scammed again.....

 

ok, if you want the ultimate deep sound but not too loud get es oval system muffler at http://www.inlinefour.com and get a custom 2.5 piping frmo http://www.kteller.com and get a resonator frmo there too

 

Don't want 2.5in seems like 2.25 is the best unless your going fi.

 

I don't like the look of those ES mufflers at all I would rather keep my stock one.

 

Ok now thinking about N1 welded up to either Kteller 2.25in piping or get a shop to custom bend me some. Anything else I would need besides piping and muffler? I don't want to spend more on this than what the Apexi WS costs. Is the N1 really loud or is it just a deep sound? I am sure I have heard it but have also heard so many N1 style ones I'm not sure how loud the real N1 is. Some imitation ones are way too loud and I don't want that but really like the look of the N1.

 

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resoantor and after that if you think its still too loud, put in another one.

 

would strongly recommend you getting mandrel piping.. get a resonator if your NA (all motor) and pick out a good clean muffler..

that should get you in the basic to content sound range... granted your motor/car isnt fully build i think it should be a good sound and you ll be happy. like mentioned if its still out of your taste range, a second smaller resonator would clean that up~

 

Ok thanks what muffler do you reccomend for a good clean muffler? I really like the N1 but am really worried about it being too loud and it also is pretty expensive.

 

Unless the car has forced induction 2.25 will be fine
And i would definately go with a 5 Zigen 2.25 fireball catback a little pricey but the sound is great

 

Just giving a quick one over glance of the posts...

I have a WS2. Mine isn't low at all, I'm not lowered yet, I scraped one on a hideously high speed bump that I woulda scraped stock exhaust on. My exhaust doesn't sit as low as most of the WS systems I've seen.

I have no idea why anyone says it rumbles at idle. My exhaust outside the car is quieter than the crappy Midas system that was put on the car right before I bought it. Its only loud when you get on it, and then the intake noise takes over.

 

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i dont know much about exhaust flow or velocity, but wouldnt a 2.5" system make the same power as a 2.25" system on a stock motor with bolt-ons ? can you explain your reasoning on why a 2.25" would be better than a 2.5" ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AccordWarrior &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just giving a quick one over glance of the posts...

I have a WS2. Mine isn't low at all, I'm not lowered yet, I scraped one on a hideously high speed bump that I woulda scraped stock exhaust on. My exhaust doesn't sit as low as most of the WS systems I've seen.

I have no idea why anyone says it rumbles at idle. My exhaust outside the car is quieter than the crappy Midas system that was put on the car right before I bought it. Its only loud when you get on it, and then the intake noise takes over.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Perhaps this is corrected in the WS2. I can show pics in 2 weeks because i'm still at college. It hangs pretty low and i've got a 1.25" drop.

The rumble isnt even a noise...it's a rumble. I can't explain it. It hurts your ears if you stand around it but it is definitely a deep bass note that hits you. The exhaust is quiet but you just FEEL it...

 

At some point you start loosing power if you go with too big of a pipe. It seems like everyone just thinks 2.25" is better for these cars unless you are going fi.

 

Yea, Apex'i ws piping is 60mm just a hair over 2.25". Same with Magnaflow, I believe it's 2.25. 2.5 and up is for some boost.

Backpressure is basically a myth in its NECESSITY, but it needs to be there to help the gases flow BETTER