I got my wastegate a little while ago and with all the goodies I got from Mr.UPS that day I didnt even bother opening the wastegate, I just put it aside.

Today I cracked her open and I didnt quite get how everything worked, how it should be assembled and what should be checked/adjusted

Its a SSAC 35mm tial knockoff with a 14.7psi spring

Everything that came in the box



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Now onto assembly, put this little disc/spacer/seal type thing in there



Then put on the flange with no threads in the outer holes, didnt use the gasket as it wouldnt totally fit, Im assuming it goes between the seal/disk and the flange? Need to bore it 1-2mm, I guess that space will be filled with the gasket eh



Hardware installed hand tight with no washer, didnt know which ones



Dump tube flange just sitting there, didnt come with that hardware, can easily get it from work



This is something I dont get, how this **** goes together, I just guessed, the nut is bored out int eh center and is drilled through on the bottom, I figured the barbed fitting just plopped overtop and somehow made a seal so the vacuum hoses could be run.... shitty pic



Both units installed hand tight, felt like it ran out of thread/bottomed out and the barbed fitting can still twirl freely



Now I dunno about you guys but in the pics these we see of setups the wastegate's look pretty dinky small, like golf ball type size. THERE ******* HUGE!!!! Never would have imagined they would be this big



Thats my 2am shitty post, hope some other boost noobs can learn something or see whats involved.

I made it for someone to inform me whats going on and what goes where and such and if I should take it apart (if possible) to check anything. I want this install to go as smoothly as possible, dont mind the shitty pics, drunk kid +2 mp + paint on lens = shitty pic

Thanks guys

 

is the fire ring suppose to go on like that? i have it the other way and it leaks like a ****...

 

If your taking about the ring I have my finger on in the pic, thats def the way it goes in, thats the only way I could get it to seal

 

I bought the same wastegate 2 night ago, just waiting on shipping now

Thsi thread will defientely help people who are just getting started or whatever

Good pics

 

bump for info on that ring. I believe I have mine on the other way without it protruding like that. BTW my wastegate is a tial 38mm. It fit in both ways.

 

I had the exact wastegate.... sold it though Nice WG

 

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I am pretty sure that is the wrong way. The larger radius cut is supposed to go against the valve. When the wastegate is put on and tightened down it forces the fire ring against the piston, slightly preloading the spring to help maintain a good seal.

Ryan

 

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I am pretty sure that is the wrong way. The larger radius cut is supposed to go against the valve. When the wastegate is put on and tightened down it forces the fire ring against the piston, slightly preloading the spring to help maintain a good seal.

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you are correct sir!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by W O T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is something I dont get, how this **** goes together, I just guessed, the nut is bored out int eh center and is drilled through on the bottom, I figured the barbed fitting just plopped overtop and somehow made a seal so the vacuum hoses could be run.... shitty pic

... and if I should take it apart (if possible) to check anything. Thanks guys</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's a BOLT, not a nut. Take it apart already, quit being a pansy! Get an allen wrench and open that sucker up. you may want a second person around to hold it when opening/reassembling. And quit banging up your poor mom's washing machine, put down a freakin' towel or something.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by W O T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is something I dont get, how this **** goes together, I just guessed, the nut is bored out int eh center and is drilled through on the bottom, I figured the barbed fitting just plopped overtop and somehow made a seal so the vacuum hoses could be run.... shitty pic

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It's called a banjo fitting. It's the same hardware and concept used on the OEM Honda fuel feed line.

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You're probably missing a crush washer or two. The banjo needs to be sandwiched b/w crush washers. The banjo bolt doesn't create the seal....at least it shouldn't.

 

Just FYI, all of your pics are out of focus because you didn't use the macro function.

 

You won't need the top banjo fitting if you're not running an electronic boost controller. Only the side one is needed for MBC's.

 

Yeah I just leave the top open for my joe p MBC right?

But there is supposed to be crush washers on both sides on the "banjo" fitting or just normal flat washers? That would explain the running out of thread

Whats the point of crackin her open, is there anything inside, such as seals or bolts that should be checked for tightness?

 

The flat washers are the crush washers. They don't really visibly crush per se they just compress slightly to create a seal.

Yeah, don't even put the top banjo fitting in when you go to install the wastegate since you're using an MBC.

There has been some talk of the Tial knockoff's not being tightened all the way down but when I got mine I found all of the allen bolts to be real tight.

I did take it apart though to compare it to a real deal 38 mm Tial. The only thing that I could find different on the two wastegates was that the material for orange seal on the inside appeared slightly different, but even at that, I'm not sure that there was even any quality difference, they just looked slightly different.

 

What allen bolts need tightening? The ones on the outer casing?

bump for info on the ring

 

you have the fire ring in backwards, flip it over and turn it till it fits, sometimes you have to tap it into place with something

 

I dont mean to be a threadjacker, but what side attaches to the manifold? dumptube?

Also, youve got 2 flanges, are both of those going to be used ontop of whats already attached to the manifold? or is one of them supposed to go onto the manifold?

Also, are all the holes on the flanges tapped? or just holes?, one of them looks tapped and the other looks shinny, no threads?

Just trying to figure out whats going down

 

Both flanges are different

They both seems to have the groove for the "fire ring" but one flange has both tapped holes and one doesnt

Ive only got one set of allen bolts n nuts though, was kinda confused myself

I just put it away until I get my manifold

LMK if you want anymore pics, not a problem

 

Hope I can help you out. I, myself have a 38mm tial wastegate and i can see the similiarties. Here is your picture modded by me!



1)These bolts and nuts are used to attach the dumptube flange on to the wastegate

2)Check to see if either of the gaskets are larger then the other. Larger 1 would go between the wastegate and manifold

3)Fire ring, the bigger part of the whole ring goes down and smaller part faces up. there is a gao but i think that is normal. on my tial, when i tighten it to the manifold, it suppresses the piston in the wastegate.

4)this 1 of the other flange looks like it is used for the manifold. i choose this 1 to say that this is prolly the 1 that goes on the manifold for those who choose to make their own. the 1 that has been threaded already is usually the 1 that goes on the manifold

5)this 1 should be for the dumptube. has not thread to it, simple use nut and bolt to make it hold

6) the fitting goes on a certian way i think (should be a bigger inlet/out or a smaller inlet/outlet on each side). i forgot since the last time i messed with my wastegate. use 2 crush washers on each of the fitting. the 2 big; thick washers are for the nut and bolt used for the dumptube.

please let me know what happens...this is the most i can figure looking at the pictures.

 

Which port attach's to the manifold?

Would the manifold have threaded holes on its flange?

I just dont get why 2 flanges are needed when the manifold would have one....

And your pic is hella small, cant read it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 Cam Wonder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which port attach's to the manifold?

Would the manifold have threaded holes on its flange?

I just dont get why 2 flanges are needed when the manifold would have one....

And your pic is hella small, cant read it</TD></TR></TABLE>

the port that is at the bottom goes on the manifold. yes the manifold should be threaded.

no idea why they sent 2 of them, prolly for people who like to make their own manifolds. sorry about the picture, web hoster's fault.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 Cam Wonder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont mean to be a threadjacker, but what side attaches to the manifold? dumptube?

Also, youve got 2 flanges, are both of those going to be used ontop of whats already attached to the manifold? or is one of them supposed to go onto the manifold?

Also, are all the holes on the flanges tapped? or just holes?, one of them looks tapped and the other looks shinny, no threads?

Just trying to figure out whats going down</TD></TR></TABLE>

the part that goes to the manifold is where the valve is, the discharge is the other hole

they supply two flanges incase you are making your own manifold and of course one is for the dumptube

and yes the fire ring is in the wrong way, it will not seal correctly and build boost

 

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Which way is that ring supposed to go on? The large circle inside of the wastegate and the smaller circle part of it going into the manifold or vice versa???

Also, the gaskets, used on both manifold and dumptube?

My gasket wont fit around the smaller diamter of that ring if its facing up, its a little small, will that be fine if I tigheten it down like that for it to rest ontop of the ring or should I cut it a bit and make it fit around the ring, wish I mad my manifold

 

The 4 silver flat washers are used with the Banjo/barbed fitting and the banjo bolt which has the holes in it. Take the banjo bolt, put one flat washer on it, put the banjo fitting on the bolt, and then put another flat washer on the banjo bolt. Then screw the banjo bolt onto the wastegate ports. The other two wavy looking washers are lock washers which you use for the two WG mounting allen bolts. The 4 flat washers are crush washers that help seal the banjo fitting/bolt. For the fire ring the part that is raised goes into the WG hole and the flat part faces out.



Turn the fire ring upside down

 

Whoa, back from the dead

I still havent installed this wastegate, but Im pretty sure the post above is incorrect, I think the way I took the pic is the correct way