i just oredered my xsi swap last week for my 90 hatch i opted for the lsd tranny. i just wanted to know who else has one in there ef. what i should expect i am switching form d series (first b series engine) or any recomended mods before putting it in.
thanks
andy

 

<<-- xsi swap

do the timing belt, water pump and such with the engine out, its a little easier.

 

I rebuilt my engine before dropping it in...might as well do it while it's out now

 

i thought the DA XSi was not available with a LSD?

what should you expect? you should expect your car to be revolutionized. night and day. with urethane mounts, you should also expect your car to vibrate like hell at idle.

the XSi is aggressively geared with a 4.4 FD (it runs a larger tire size than the EF). it will be nice.

you should at least replace the timing belt, tensioner, water pump, (these 3 should be considered a requirement) alt. belt, spark plugs, plug wires, rotor and cap. while you're in there, you may be tempted to do more since it will all become more of a bitch later on once the motor is in the car.

you may find that the injectors arrive stuck due to old gas turning into bad gas goo and will need a good whack to open up.

 

i would hope it does not need rebuilt it is supposed to only have 37000 miles on it and from my research the ys1 had a optional lsd. i just wanted to know who all had one of these and what kind of times they had also with the tire sizes being different does it throw the speedo off??

 

Xsi swap kicks ***.....Just remember to change all the junk when the motor is out of the Chasis......You can pull the alt all the way up to the block and not have to dent the chasis....

 

I have XSi swap as well. also the jdm s1 trans is the XSI trans with the 4.4 FD. But isnt the YS1 with optional LSD the 92/93 GSR trans?

 

http://metabomber.com/projects....html

hmm according to this, the LSD XSi is the 92-93... with YS1.. and as far as the VTECs go, only the EF tranny has the 4.266.. because of the 195/50's and light weight, i would imagine..

hmm.. isnt the JDM 92-93 OBD1? .. were you planning to do an OBD1 conversion? i was not under the impression that the earlier OBD0 90-91 XSi had a factory LSD available... do you know which you are receiving.. OBD0 or OBD1?

 

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hmm according to this, the LSD XSi is the 92-93... with YS1.. and as far as the VTECs go, only the EF tranny has the 4.266.. because of the 195/50's and light weight, i would imagine..

hmm.. isnt the JDM 92-93 OBD1? .. were you planning to do an OBD1 conversion? i was not under the impression that the earlier OBD0 90-91 XSi had a factory LSD available... do you know which you are receiving.. OBD0 or OBD1?
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The 92-93 Tegs were all OBD1 and had the 2nd gen 170hp B16 with them. Yes, the ys1 was the tranny that came with them, a few, not all came with lsd as an option only.

The older 89-91 DA tegs were still obd0 with 1st gen 160hp B16A and S1 tranny, non lsd.

 

bump this stuff!!! Im getting my XSi engine very soon!!! cant wait!!! good stuff to know

 

IM Glad you guys had good success with your 92-93 xsi swap but mine WAS ALL HELL!!!!!!!!!! im not going to say who i ordered unless u pm me. I have a 90 HF crx that i put my xsi swap into. YES the 92-93 xsi is 170 HP b16a and yes it is obd1 swap. You will need a shift linkage cause it's to long the one that comes with the swap. axles can be used unless u have a hf crx like me where you have to putt differnet hubs and knuckles on cause hf hubs are the smallest and integra axles wont go tho. I hope you got the lsd tranny i did not but i am saving for one right now. the swap comes with THE VERY RARE pr3 obd1 ecu. you are going to have to convert to obd1 you can either get a jumper harness or just cut your obd0 clips off and resoider the obd1 clips on. which will save you money. I have the pinouts for any 88-91 civic orcrx wiring converting the obd1 swap if you need them. also you have to put the obd1 dizzy connecter on your harness to run the obd1 dizzy. I have the info on how to do that also. well enough with that when you GET YOUR MOTOR THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO CHECK THE SPARK PLUGS if they look GlAZY AND WET SEND THAT MOTOR BACK!!!!!!!!!!!! TRUST ME I WISH I WOULD HAVE. The reason is because mine we like that and i never thought any thing of it at the time. when i finally got my motor installed and started it up IT WAS KNOCKING!!!!!! IT WAS BLOWN coolant and oil coming from the head gasket and coolant on the spark plugsThe motor was a piece of **** at that time i had givin my hf motor to someone.. I got ripped off. Just giving you some advice that i wish i had when i got and did my swap. this info IS 100% TRUE I just wish i would have gotten a good motor like everyone else i wonder how fast it would have been. Everyone who has this swap how fast is it????? I had to get my motor rebuilt to amercain specs and i ran it with the pr3 obd1 ecu. I got smoked by my frinds 1st gen b16a obd0 in his 91 hf crx everytime. I hated how the vtec didnt hit until like 6000 RPMS where as the obd0 pr3 hits at 5000RPMS. I guess my b16a was slow because it was rebuilt to amercian specs i no the cams where ground down. just wonder really how fast the swap was let me know guys. IF you need any help with the swap pm. I hope the best of luck to you that you get a good motor

 

**** sorry to hear that ^^^

 

I have a xsi swap in a 91 crx. It has LSD, but I'm not sure if it was factory or not. I got the car from a good friend who did the swap. He retained the AC and otherwise made the swap look and act like it came that way from the factory -- everything works. The car overall is great, but some people would call it a bit hardcore with the current stiff suspension and all. Plus, as someone noted, it does vibrate like crazy at idle (I'd like to find some "softer" engine mounts). It has run a 14.5 at mid-90s MPH. Feels a LOT stronger than the D series engine. I'm thinking of building a low-pressure turbo setup for it. I think another 50 HP or so would be just about right for a fun around-town car.

 

it is out of a 93 and i have already ordered my conversion harness and mounts and linkage i hope my swap goes better than that one sorry to hear that. when does vtec engage on a pr3 ecu?? i think i may have it chipped before i out it in the car if it is that bad.

 

Do you self a favor and replace the clutch while the motor is out. Save up the extra $200 to $300 for a new clutch and resurface your flywheel. While you are down there replace your crank seals, they are not expensive and not hard to do. I made the mistake of putting my motor in without changing the clutch only to have shifting problems about a year later. I now have a Exedy stage 1 organic disc and a ACT streetlite flywheel (wanted matching Exedy flywheel but it was on backorder), my car shifts like a dream. Replace all the other stuff mentioned above (timing belt, water pump, etc). Check out your exhaust cam butt plug (next to the distributor, it is probably leaking or going to leak so replace it with a nice o-ringed metal one. Last but not least don't be frightened by the lost motion assembly rattle.

 

I have a mugen profile that kicks in about 4500 rpms. Nothing beats hearing a DOHC kick into Vtec for the first time.

 

just a question, what year teg is the b16a1 out of? is it the 89-91 teg or the 92-93 teg. Im just curious

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90HFCrX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IM Glad you guys had good success with your 92-93 xsi swap but mine WAS ALL HELL!!!!!!!!!! im not going to say who i ordered unless u pm me. I have a 90 HF crx that i put my xsi swap into. YES the 92-93 xsi is 170 HP b16a and yes it is obd1 swap. You will need a shift linkage cause it's to long the one that comes with the swap. axles can be used unless u have a hf crx like me where you have to putt differnet hubs and knuckles on cause hf hubs are the smallest and integra axles wont go tho. I hope you got the lsd tranny i did not but i am saving for one right now. the swap comes with THE VERY RARE pr3 obd1 ecu. you are going to have to convert to obd1 you can either get a jumper harness or just cut your obd0 clips off and resoider the obd1 clips on. which will save you money. I have the pinouts for any 88-91 civic orcrx wiring converting the obd1 swap if you need them. also you have to put the obd1 dizzy connecter on your harness to run the obd1 dizzy. I have the info on how to do that also. well enough with that when you GET YOUR MOTOR THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO CHECK THE SPARK PLUGS if they look GlAZY AND WET SEND THAT MOTOR BACK!!!!!!!!!!!! TRUST ME I WISH I WOULD HAVE. The reason is because mine we like that and i never thought any thing of it at the time. when i finally got my motor installed and started it up IT WAS KNOCKING!!!!!! IT WAS BLOWN coolant and oil coming from the head gasket and coolant on the spark plugsThe motor was a piece of **** at that time i had givin my hf motor to someone.. I got ripped off. Just giving you some advice that i wish i had when i got and did my swap. this info IS 100% TRUE I just wish i would have gotten a good motor like everyone else i wonder how fast it would have been. Everyone who has this swap how fast is it????? I had to get my motor rebuilt to amercain specs and i ran it with the pr3 obd1 ecu. I got smoked by my frinds 1st gen b16a obd0 in his 91 hf crx everytime. I hated how the vtec didnt hit until like 6000 RPMS where as the obd0 pr3 hits at 5000RPMS. I guess my b16a was slow because it was rebuilt to amercian specs i no the cams where ground down. just wonder really how fast the swap was let me know guys. IF you need any help with the swap pm. I hope the best of luck to you that you get a good motor </TD></TR></TABLE>

some of this story is wack... i understand the motor was shot, but building the motor to American specs??? am i missing something? we get the specs to repair these motors from the same place everyone else does. its still just a b16 just the the ones here. and why were the cams ground down? are you sure you didn't get had by your mechanic too? and vtec kicking in at 6000rpms... maybe your tach was off...its very common. i know mine kicks in at 4800, but the cluster says 5200 its off...............

sorry i'm going off topic, but there is more to this story.....

either way the situation sucks...

 

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Yes, the jdm 89-91 Integra and 90-91 Civic and Crx SIR.

 

CLUTCH AND FLYWHEEL

 

i have an xsi swap..

 

What i dont get is why the XSi motor is cheaper then the SiR II motor.

This was taken from http://Hmotorsonline.com

B16A 92-93 Integra (XSi) Complete Change Over
170Hp 113Trq 10.4 Compression (JDM OBD I)
$ 1699.00 Plus shipping and handling.


B16A 92-95 (SiR-II) Complete Change Over
170Hp 113Trq 10.4 Compression (JDM)
160Hp 111Trq 10.2 Compression (USDM)
$ 2250.00 Plus shipping and handling

30004 - B16A 92-95 (SiR-II) Motor, Tranny, ECU
170Hp 113Trq 10.4 Compression (JDM)
$ 1750.00 Plus shipping and handling

 

No there is nothing wack ABOUT MY STORY IT"S ALL TRUE and no MY MECHANIC DID NOT SHADE ME. THERES NO WAY TO GET ALL OF THE JDM PARTS FOR A REBUILD. ALSO VTEC DOES KICK IN AROUND 6000RPMS WITH A OBD1 Pr3 ecu I NO IT DOES BECAUSE I USED IT ON MY B16A ALL THE TIME AND ALSO I NO MY TACH IS NOT OFF BECAUSE, MY FRIEND IS USING IT RIGHT NOW. HES USING IT CAUSE HE DOEST HAVE A ECU AND THE wiring is the same as the gsr except for the dual butterflys . he's using it on his obd1 gsr motor right now and the vtec kicks in at 6000RPMS just as it does in my car IF SOMEON KNOWS how to post a video on here i will film A VIDEO OF THE ECU AND WITH THE MOTOR AND I WILL FILM WHEN THE VTEC ENGAGES . JUST TELL ME HOW AND I WILL. ALSO if you didn't no the 92-93 integra xsi gets the 170hp which is 10hp than a regular b16. It get's it from it's slightly more aggressive cams and valve train and slightly better pistons. The reason my cams were ground down is to match the specs of the amercian b16a either the delsol dohc vtec or the civic si dohc vtec. MY motor was built back to the amercian b16 because it's very hard to get those jdm parts unless you no how to speak janpense and call honda japan. OR you might get luckly and be able to get them from a engine importer but good luck with that. obviously you dont no your b16's that well or else you would have known that. NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY????????? GET BACK TO ME. No one ever believes me that i got a piece of **** motor but i did. I am one those horrie storys you read about here on Honda-tech. Yes it does exsit cause it happened to me. I Dont know if i will ever be able to buy a motor from a engine importer again after what has happened to me. I am buying a tranny from a importer soon. I can tell you if it doesnt come like it is suppose to. Im putting in my old tranny and driving alll the way there with the tranny and demand a new. CAUSE THERES NO WAY I WILL LET THAT **** EVER HAPPEN TO ME AGAIN AND I HOPE NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO GO THOURGH WHAT I DID. GET back to me people

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90HFCrX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No there is nothing wack ABOUT MY STORY IT"S ALL TRUE and no MY MECHANIC DID NOT SHADE ME. THERES NO WAY TO GET ALL OF THE JDM PARTS FOR A REBUILD. ALSO VTEC DOES KICK IN AROUND 6000RPMS WITH A OBD1 Pr3 ecu I NO IT DOES BECAUSE I USED IT ON MY B16A ALL THE TIME AND ALSO I NO MY TACH IS NOT OFF BECAUSE, MY FRIEND IS USING IT RIGHT NOW. HES USING IT CAUSE HE DOEST HAVE A ECU AND THE wiring is the same as the gsr except for the dual butterflys . he's using it on his obd1 gsr motor right now and the vtec kicks in at 6000RPMS just as it does in my car IF SOMEON KNOWS how to post a video on here i will film A VIDEO OF THE ECU AND WITH THE MOTOR AND I WILL FILM WHEN THE VTEC ENGAGES . JUST TELL ME HOW AND I WILL. ALSO if you didn't no the 92-93 integra xsi gets the 170hp which is 10hp than a regular b16. It get's it from it's slightly more aggressive cams and valve train and slightly better pistons. The reason my cams were ground down is to match the specs of the amercian b16a either the delsol dohc vtec or the civic si dohc vtec. MY motor was built back to the amercian b16 because it's very hard to get those jdm parts unless you no how to speak janpense and call honda japan. OR you might get luckly and be able to get them from a engine importer but good luck with that. obviously you dont no your b16's that well or else you would have known that. NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY????????? GET BACK TO ME. No one ever believes me that i got a piece of **** motor but i did. I am one those horrie storys you read about here on Honda-tech. Yes it does exsit cause it happened to me. I Dont know if i will ever be able to buy a motor from a engine importer again after what has happened to me. I am buying a tranny from a importer soon. I can tell you if it doesnt come like it is suppose to. Im putting in my old tranny and driving alll the way there with the tranny and demand a new. CAUSE THERES NO WAY I WILL LET THAT **** EVER HAPPEN TO ME AGAIN AND I HOPE NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO GO THOURGH WHAT I DID. GET back to me people</TD></TR></TABLE>

I had kinda of a similar story, but I sent the orginal bad motor back and got a good motor in its place. It still cost me for the time to pull the 1st motor.
I know the swap stuff is kinda-of a crap shoot, but you should have sent the motor back and either got a refund or a good motor.

 

i love my xsi swap, i too got the lsd. the pr3 obd1 i got kicks the vtec in at 6200 so i got a jdm p30 and it now comes in at 5800. i got mine from h-motorsonline it was in really good shap i did have to replace the dizzy. i would say put in the best clutch you can buy i screwed this up and got a exceddy stock replacement that would not hold a 50 shot of nitrous. i replaced that with a 6 puck solid disc that holds fine but is a bitch to drive on the street its less like a clutch and more like a motor on/off switch. go with something in between. best of luck on the swap.