I'm really wanting to build a nitrous car. I am planning on building a sleeved ls/vtec with a 84mm bore and a P&Ped b16 head for my DCS and spraying the crap out of it in an attempt to make a low eleven or even a high 10 sec pass. I've been told that this is impossible but i'm scepticle of the critics. It seems that unless you do what everone else has done people think your crazy and it wont work. So i figured I would ask here since most of y'all seem pretty reasonable and helpful. I've been talking to Dh-racing about doing the motor build and i have a line on a direct port kit for a great price. So is this possible or am i chasing a pipe dream?

 

If its a street car? I dont think its gonna be as easy as you think. Not on just nitrous.

 

back in the day merrick and fair of carlisle pennsylvania ran a 10.60 in a gsr on a stock motor. Google them and give them a call and they can hook you up. It has to be easier than the all motor guys that have gone this low.

 

yea thats true, but these are guys that got big money into their motors.

**** maybe it will be easy? i dunno.

 

ALOT of weight reduction and a BIG shot

I believe "bottlefedintegra" went like low 11's or something like that in a DA. You should holler at him. Good luck.

 

i think 11's i realistic for sure, but 10's might be pushing it.

i'm looking to go low 11's in a EF hatch which is basically a race car. stock bore ls/vtec on a 125

good luck

 

if i did this it would be on a sleeved motor. probably a 84mm gsr block with a 200 shot on a progresive controller. I really dont think making enough power, even in a heavy *** dc2 will be th major problem. I think the problem will be putting it to the ground. even on slicks nitrous makes a lot of torque and getting it to hook is problematic. Ive learned already that the sooner i get the juice going the faster i go. But too soon and i just get a cloud of smoke.

The car went from 9.8 at 71 in the 1/8th to 9.0 at 80 on a 50 shot wet withonly a short ram and cat back on 15 azenis. I dont know if thats imoressive to y'all but it surprised the **** out of me. thats why i want to see what nitrous can do given a proper chance.

BTW whats the weight difference between a DC2 and a civic hatch; say 1991

 

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i ran a google but couldnt find them or any archived posts here

 

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i ran a google but couldnt find them or any archived posts here</TD></TR></TABLE>

"merrick & fair carlisle pennsylvania"

search this in google

and you find this http://www.mfperformance.com/



this might be the 10.60 car mentioned above

 

i never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the drawer. Today i'm chillin with the spoons.

Thank you from a retarded ****

 

i see an intercooler though. I'll email them anyhow and see whats up. Thanks

 

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let us know what you find out.

 

I think it is well within reach to have a fast nitrous car. You just got to know enough about tuning with nitrous. Some of the fastest street cars that I have ever seen in my life are nitrous fed. They are V8's but who is to say that you cant take your 4 cylinder and run some really good times with nitrous. As a matter of fact Darryl *** the first Neon that he built to race ran 10's on nitrous. He ended up going turbo with it and ran 9's on it and now he is sponsored by Mopar and runs 8's but I lived pretty close to those guys and they did some work on my old Honda.

Also the fastest streetbikes that I have seen to date are nitrous fed and are still 4 cylinders. Darryl *** used to work for Gann Custom Speed and they built some of the fastest bikes known to man. They held a track record for awhile on a outlaw street bike and it ran 4.50's in the 1/8 on nitrous this was with no wheelie bar and a small slick. So if these 4 cylinder engines can do it Im sure a properly built Honda engine with the right amount of tuning can surely do it or be capable of it.

 

BTW whats the weight difference between a DC2 and a civic hatch; say 1991

 

anyone know of any good nitrous tuners in Cali?

 

look also when searching for Kurt Gordon from KG BUILT

he had very serious nitrous cars a while back.


mine went mid 11s on the spray, stock internaled gsR

 

^ god damn. Tell me more about your setup if you dont mind. I thought 11s on a stock GSR was next to impossible. IT wasnt one of those went 11s twice till it went BOOM things was it?

BTW this is why i love honda-tech. This has been the most possitive response i've ever gotten to this idea. Other sites who i wont name (cough T-I, North Texas Street racing) treat everything as though if you dont build the setup that has been done a million times before it simply wont work, and your stupid. Thank y'all for your help and keep the replies coming.

 

You may want to pm 2.0coupe (Steve) on this board. He has a nitrous CRX that has gone mid 11's on an 80 shot. He was also running a low compression B18C. Last I talked to him he wanted to do a turbo setup and was going to drop the idea of nitrous.

In my opinion, I think 10's would be fairly easy with a hatch or CRX, an engine built for nitrous and 100+ shot. I believe Steve said that a nitrous motor can only injest as big a shot as the engine makes in HP. So a 200hp all motor car can handle up to a 200 shot of nitrous and no more? Has anyone ever heard this theory?

 

sounds reasonable. I dont know that its true though. Then again I personally have sprayed a motor that made no more than 200whp with a unknown two stage sytem that made at least 125 on the first stage and we are thinking 300 on the second. It was a 69 camaro with a old truck 454. In a "wonder what would happen" moment we put what we called "the mystery plate" on it on top of its normal 125 shot. It wa scalled that since it was a 125 shot plate (we think this things been around for years and ***** out to everyone) that was drilled out to a little over twice its original diameter, and a big set of top gun noids, now NX. In second and third it was sprayed with both kits. it actually ran slower with both kits but it did manage to fry the tires all the way across the 1/8th mile mark.

 

You just got to get all the jets right and the timing right or else they can be a complete headache 2 stage systems. I personally think the 2 and 3 stage setups are cool and would like to give one a try myself but I think that I would seek help from some of the Outlaw Pro Street racers from back home for tips and tricks on those setups. Most of the cars are nitrous and well the track record holder in that class in blown. Turbo's arent allowed for some reason. But they all run pretty consistent in the 4.30's area and the record holder running I think the in 4.0's in the 1/8.

 

heres what he said:


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Caplinger
To: mfperformance@pa.net
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: random question about dc2 integra


I know this may seem a bit random but I was told that you own/formly owned a nitroused integra that ran low eleven and possibly 10s. Is this true? I am aout to undertake in my DC2 project and I'm leaning towards a nitrous car but most people tell me that those kind of times are next to impossible. If you would be so kind as to share any information you have on the subject as far as you setup or your experience with a high HP nitrous carplease do so. I found no information on your site other than a picture aof a integra doing a burnout. That integra had an intercooler however so i may be completely off my rocker.

Thank you very much
PFC Robert Caplinger
USA MEDDAC
Fort Stewart, Ga

Bob,
Hello, we ended up selling the Integra to build a Pro FWD civic. We finished it and sold it also due to business commitments(read that no time to race). It is in fact a turbo car in the picture. It ran a best time of 10.40 at 140 mph weighing in at a hefty 3200 lbs. The best time on nitrous I believe was 11.92 at 128mph.
At the time it was still street driven regularly. It was set up as follows:
1.8 vtec stock block and internals
stock cams
stock head
Type R intake
Air Mass blue header
Crane fireball ignition
Cold air intake
2 stage 125 HP NitrousWorks wet system
Unorthodox cam gears
Unorthodox clutch
welded differential
200 lbs worth of weight loss (plasma torch)
no sway bars, back seat, or any thing else that was not bolted down
power windows and a stereo that still worked

After the car was switched to a turbo car the list got much longer and more expensive. Very experimental, hush hush stuff .

Hope this helps out .

Dave McCoy
Merrick & Fair Performance



Gives me hope

 

that is interesting because i called them after looking at an old add and it said 10.60 on a stock block and nitrous. They then told me it ran a 2 stage system of 125 shot and a 30 shot both of which were wet but not direct port. Has been a while ago. This guy must have not been around back then as the car definetely didnt weigh 3200 lbs must be a typo as 2300 sounds better or more likely. I am looking at the ad right now as i have almost every import mag dating back to 1990 when all there was were scc and turbo which wasnt soley import back then. Alot of grand nationals and such in there back then (quite a few mopars also).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FormulaGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm really wanting to build a nitrous car. I am planning on building a sleeved ls/vtec with a 84mm bore and a P&Ped b16 head for my DCS and spraying the crap out of it in an attempt to make a low eleven or even a high 10 sec pass. I've been told that this is impossible but i'm scepticle of the critics. It seems that unless you do what everone else has done people think your crazy and it wont work. So i figured I would ask here since most of y'all seem pretty reasonable and helpful. I've been talking to Dh-racing about doing the motor build and i have a line on a direct port kit for a great price. So is this possible or am i chasing a pipe dream?</TD></TR></TABLE>


Give me call I go over the step up with you

 

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i'll give them a call as soon as i know exactly whats gonna happen to the car. I've got an insurance guy coming out today to assese hail damage. it might be getting totaled

 

here is the rest of my email conversation


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Caplinger
To: Merrick & Fair
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: random question about dc2 integra


thank you for the information it is more than just a little helpful. i have only one more question for you and i'll leave you alone. Do you think the car could have gone faster with more work and more juice? Was there a reason you went turbo and dropped the nitrous? I'm very impressed with your car and it proves a LOT of people wrong.

Bob,
With out doing a completely built motor I think we had it maxed out. We chose a turbo because it had the potential to run into the 9's. If we would have used our built motor with a larger nitrous set up I'm sure it would have run into the high 10's. Good luck.

Dave