I was just wondering if anyone is running their products and what you think of them. Thanks!!!

 

haha....here we go

 

oh no....did I open a can of worms????

 

Listen, people have different opinions, but I can tell you this. Larry knows his ! I have seen his work and the results it has produced! Talk to him, you form your own opinion. I have talked to Gude, DPR, and quite a few others. Portflow is awesome, but Endyn does head according your entire setup, which is best for me. I will let everyone on this board know how my car, and the 4 others that are local to me, turn out.

 

i think he just a big fraud with a couple motors he didnt fraud running out somewhere... ill shut my mouth now

 

I don't know everything about he head work, pistons, or whatever, but I have e-mailed Larry several times and he always e-mailed me back within the day with a VERY complete answer to my question. Oh, if you plan on having head work done by him, its ganna cost ya! he quoted me right under $1100 for just the head work not including valves or anything.

 

I've used their pistons, with great success. I've also used their fuel pumps, and breather kits. Very nice stuff. I've always gotten friendly, fast, and knowledgable service from them.

 

Larry is very knowledgeable but he gets bad juju comments because of his tendancies to use pixie dust and stickerize other companies products. Roller waves are Wiseco Pistons that have been lightly sanded; anybody can make the modification that he does to BOSCH fuel pumps; no comment on the supercharger that never surfaced. There's more but I don't feel like wasting anymore time on this well beaten subject. Oh yeah, I own a set of the Wiseco 84.5mm turbo pistons.

 

But Wiseco doesnt have the rollerwave design, they just have plain pistons. You can not order the roller waves directly from Wiesco.

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correct, and they are not sanded down either. Plus, Larry's pricing is pretty darn good also

 

Oh, forgot to mention Larry's magic dust...

 

My 9:1 RW were lightly sanded when I opened the package. This was done to remove the sharp edges that cause hot spots! I have been using Wiseco pistons on Honda MX bikes, Quads and three wheelers since the early 80's so I have a long history with them. I have never had a problem with my Wiseco pistons and they will ADJUST any pistons original design to meet your needs. I ran a 13.5:1 compression 200X trike for 2 complete flat track seasons without any problems. All I did was change the rings during the off season. What am I trying to say? The Quality of the Wiseco psitons has absolutely nothing to do with Endyn. The performance of the Bosch pump has nothing to do with Endyn. No comment on the stupid charger.


[Modified by drealgsr, 12:03 AM 1/18/2002]

 

well duh but you cannot get the RW pistons from anywhere but Endyn or one of his dealers. Go ahead and try, unless you know somebody at Wiseco personally. He does make some interesting products, like the b20 breather kit, which no one else has. I'm not going into this anymore. I am sticking with my original response, believe who ever you care to.

 

I think we are all arguing about the same thing. But my point is this, the sanding doesnt make the roller wave, its the design and not the process of sanding. Did I make sense because alot of times I dont..

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come on guys... I already have a set of RW's and everybody knows that Larry has a exclusive rights to sell these Wiseco made pistons. There's just too much hocus pocus and pixie dust clouding the Endyn super double top secret 007 design labratory....

 

no, its actually a sound design principal, originally pioneered by Keith Black back around 87.

 

Actually Ive been to the 007 secret labratory. And Keith black is a name I havent heard in a long time..

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The NA RW's are based on the Keith Black design but I'm not too sure about the forced induction design.

 

The only response I will make is about the SC. If you check his site, the "Systems" are almost ready for the public. And there is big differences between the system Endyn will sell and the other kit everyone is talking about. If you say he rips off other people's setups, then why don't we say the same thing about all the different turbo kits out there? They are all pretty much the same, but something is a little different with each one. If you go to his site, http://www.theoldone.com/sc/faq.html#1 you will see the system is a reality and it seems to be one of the most complete setups I have ever seen. Of course when you are bringing something to the market, it is going to take time to test. I have read soooo much stuff about Endyn on this site and others, and I will admit, I had formed an opinion of him without even really looking into the comments I was buying into. It took a good deal to swing my thinking. But when I see a Civic Coupe run 12's on street gas, as a N/A setup, that really hasn't been tuned, and running 12.5:1 CR, (Daily driver!) that just about summed it up for me. We took apart the Civic last night and the head still looks awesome, pistons and rods are in excelent shape, and the car didn't even look like it had 12,000 miles on it!

 

I've got a few pics of my Endyne's that were Ceramic coated by a shop and reace prepped by Larry. They were to go in a race engine that someone backed out on.

I got them with the coatings and rings for $425 for the set. All weighed within a few grams of each other. I'm VERY happy.

 

I have a hard time believing things like this, knowing what I know about eaton chargers. I'm sure that TOO has more experience than I do on the subject, but laws of thermal dynamics are just that, LAWS. Without intercooling, what STOCK motor could ever handle this kind of boost from an eaton blower?

 

Just for reference, Endyn's facilities are nothing more than Larry's basement and his garage. There have been very lengthy posts on http://www.hostboard.com on the matter. About 4-5 months ago there was about a 5 page post detailing Atomic Performance's agreement with Endyn on a collaborative project and the surprise and ashtonishment that followed as Endyn was found to be a home-business, run by seemingly just one man, and products were not delived as specified or on time. I have no quarrel myself with Endyn or his products as a good number of people seem to be satisfied with his work. But after reading extensive posts on the subject it seems the Endyn is not what he markets himself to be.

By the way. I don't think their fabled supercharger kit will ever come to be. If they have had a built, working unit for......about 1-1/2 to 2 years, then why hasn't it been introduced yet? All the peices have been made and fitted. It is now a matter of contracting machining businesses to make molds and manufacture the various components. With all the hype for years now over the SC, you would think that Larry would put aside some time to finsh the business/production issues and get his product to the market. We're talking about $3,000-$4,000 for a SC kit as opposed to $90.00 stepper pulleys. Being that he runs a business you would assume that he would want to make profit......otherwise why go through the hassle of opening a business at all. Until Larry gets more than himself working on things your never going to see that SC kit. I believe the reason he doesn't get help is becuase you don't advertise to have people work in your basement/garage.

I could be wrong on all of this, but there are some nice ariel pictures of "Endyn" on HostBoard, which shows the place to be about the size of a ranch.

Like Hypa said.............If Endyn ever comes out with their SC putting out the numbers they claim and the reliability they propose, then I'm taking Physics over because apparently new laws have been introduced.


[Modified by ck279, 8:43 PM 1/18/2002]

 

god damn, I knew somebody couldnt let it go.

So what they operate out of their house. That keeps overhead down, which is passed along to the customer. And atomic was a bunch of whiners anyway. I couldnt care less about what they had to say - a lot of times they were really grasping for something, that was apparent.

Bottom line, make your own call. I did.

 

the kit comes with an intercooler