This was sorta posted in RR/AX, I saw it a few days ago and it looks really cool.

http://www.nasaracing.net/timetrial.shtml

Looks like the qualifications are 'pretty minimal'. $110-$150 to enter. Turbos are allowed, etc...

Anyone run one?

 

To expand on the qualifications...

Your car must conform to HPDE safety rules in CCR section 11. "As a general rule, an "unmodified" factory vehicle will pass tech without any problems, but cars that have been modified (seats, roll bars, belts, etc) must conform to the preparation rules listed in the rulebook. "
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf

TT rules for 2005:
http://www.nasaproracing.com/r...s.pdf

Classification calculator for the math impaired:
http://www.nasa-tt.com/rules.php

Edit: I get 37 modification points + 5 base points (ITR), so I am moved up 2 classes from TTE to TTC. (I have 2 more points before I get bumped to TTB). I should kick the crap out of mostly-stock TTC cars.

<U>TTC</U>: Class C: Audi ’04 S4; Acura NSX; BMW M3 (E46)*, 98+ M5, M Coupe (315hp), M
Roadster (315hp); Chevrolet Corvette C5*, Corvette GS, 63-82 Chevy Corvette
(&gt;330HP, &lt;420HP), SLP Camaro, ZR-1; DeTomaso Pantera; Factory Five Cobra 5.0;
Ford Mustang Cobra/SVT/Mach1; Jaguar XKRSC, S-Type R; Lotus Elise, Lotus Esprit 4
Cylinder Turbo*; Mazda RX-7 TT; Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, SLK AMG*, CLK
AMG*, E55; Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution; Pontiac SLP Firehawk; Porsche 911 Turbo,
968 Turbo S, Boxster S, 993, 996*; Subaru STi; Toyota Supra TT ; NASA CMC, NASA
H4, NASA SRT

 

(10:33 PM 1/29/2005) Bbasso: At what track are you looking to run TT ?
(10:35 PM 1/29/2005) Chris F: Everywhere, anywhere, whatever. Mid-ohio, Road America, umm... maybe VIR [edit, doubt it!]
(10:37 PM 1/29/2005) Bbasso: I'd like to do some TTs but would only do them on tracks I know...

Here's one at Mid-Ohio. 3 days of HPDE and TT?!? Registration is open. 2 day HPDE 1 day $195, 2 day $295, 3 days $435. TT is the same prices. If you've never been to Mid-Ohio, you could sign up for 3 days of HPDE and 2 days TT.

Info:
http://www.racenasa.com/infopa...5.htm

Registration/pricing:
https://www.nasaproracing.com/...d=203

 

Me and Erik were gonna do the PCA event at MO in April but maybe I can talk him into this instead

 

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Erik probably won't be classed well with the swap ... or maybe it will work out OK if it's clased as a Type R? "Engine swap, Move car to donor's class or + 7 whichever is greater"

I haven't decided on this particular one yet, but it looks promising.

 

hmm...looks interesting. I'm reading it right now, but I guess I don't quite understand how this works.

What swap? My car is bone stock

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Erik95LS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm...looks interesting. I'm reading it right now, but I guess I don't quite understand how this works.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wasn't really thinking about the TT I was looking more at 2 days of HPDE. With your MO experience maybe joo should do both Erik

 

looks fun. i need to look into this.

 

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I wasn't really thinking about the TT I was looking more at 2 days of HPDE. With your MO experience maybe joo should do both Erik </TD></TR></TABLE>

haha, If we decide to do this one I'll probably just stick to the HPDE. This sounds like a pretty fun event.

Erik - who cannot wait for spring and the track season to get going again.

 

But with TTs there is no way to claim any damage under you Ins if you should mess up... Not like Ins Co are letting anyone claim damage from HPDEs

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(10:33 PM 1/29/2005) Bbasso: At what track are you looking to run TT ?
(10:35 PM 1/29/2005) Chris F: Everywhere, anywhere, whatever. Mid-ohio, Road America, umm... maybe VIR [edit, doubt it!]
(10:37 PM 1/29/2005) Bbasso: I'd like to do some TTs but would only do them on tracks I know...</TD></TR></TABLE>

If your going to quote then get everything in...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">11:37 PM 1/29/2005) Bbasso: Maybe we could do some at expo
(11:38 PM 1/29/2005) Chris F: Ha!! Liability would pwn Expo
(11:38 PM 1/29/2005) Chris F: Maybe we do a headlights-only version that night
(11:40 PM 1/29/2005) Chris F: Been to Mid-Ohio yet? It's arguably the best in the nation...
(11:43 PM 1/29/2005) Bbasso: Regretfully not been there,, But one day.

Night laps, sure! I have enough light power on my car
(11:52 PM 1/29/2005) Chris F: Unfortunately I'm too old and responsible to go lapping in the dark....... You're older too.
(2:02 AM 1/30/2005) Bbasso: Old, but not mature </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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haha, If we decide to do this one I'll probably just stick to the HPDE. This sounds like a pretty fun event.

Erik - who cannot wait for spring and the track season to get going again.</TD></TR></TABLE>

TT is run exactly like the advanced HPDE, and is sometimes run at the same TIME as the advanced group depending on region. Same safety rules (which means we can do it). Classification per the links in my above posts.

Basically you do an HPDE session with a lap timer. Person with the best SINGLE lap time in that session wins. Sort-of like qualification runs.

It costs just as much as the HPDE, but I'm not sure if you get a bunch of sessions or just ONE session per day

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But with TTs there is no way to claim any damage under you Ins if you should mess up... Not like Ins Co are letting anyone claim damage from HPDEs </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is an important distinction, I had thought this in my head but not mentioned it. Zero chance for getting a dime from your insurance company in case of mishap.

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basically like a big *** auto x with traffic right?

 

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LMS 03/05/2005 - 03/06/2005 Time Trial $325.00

a little bit out of my price range.

plus you have to rent/purchase a transponder.

 

I'm gonna try to make it for the two-day DE. TTs are still out of my range for now, but maybe by the end of the summer

 

I'm going to be doing most of the NASA OH/IN region time trials this summer in my Miata. I'd love to see more ITR's out there so if you have any questions just ask.

Basically - NASA time trials are run with HPDE group 4 (mostly instructors). So you get the same amount of track time as you would in any of their other HPDE's.

The cost is the same except you do need a transponder. You can rent these for $50/weekend or buy for like $300. I ended up buying one because they hold their prices very well - if you do a couple events and don't like it you can sell the transponder for $250 easily to any other time trialer or wheel to wheel racer.

Experience - I would recommend having done several HPDE's and being very comfortable on track before going up to time trial because it is open passing. Some of the instructers and race guys out there can be aggressive with passing so you have to be more aware of the track and who is behind you than a normal HPDE group 2 or 3 session.

Risk - Any time you're moving up in HPDE session level you're probably taking on a little more risk. Just because you're probably going faster yourself and maybe going closer to 10/10ths. So it is probably more risky than a typical HPDE session but alot less risky than a race group. The main thing to remember is that here you are not directly racing other cars and only need one fast lap so you can control the situation. For example, I have backed off on a straight to let a group of fast cars pass me there instead of in the turns, etc. I also don't push it as hard or try to find that new fast line thru some turns if someone is right on my ***. The goal is to have a clear track so you can get your fast lap.

Insurance - Good point about insurance. It would probably be harder to get your carrier to cover this type of event. But I wouldn't count on insurance covering any other HPDE either. As always, if you take it on track be prepared to walk away from it.

If anyone does go to MidOhio let me know - I'll be out there taking pix for NASA and will make sure to get some of you!

- Markus


Modified by Markus at 11:01 AM 1/31/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Markus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm going to be doing most of the NASA OH/IN region time trials this summer in my Miata. I'd love to see more ITR's out there so if you have any questions just ask.

Basically - NASA time trials are run with HPDE group 4 (mostly instructors). So you get the same amount of track time as you would in any of their other HPDE's.
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(Just wanted to point out, run group can vary by region, it can be in its own run group)

I will definitely be running at least one of the time trials in that region this year. With only the $50 price difference for the transponder, there's not MUCH to lose

I think my car (TTC classed with ~43 modification points) will be very competetive. If I get serious about it I may have to do some investigation on what 'might not' be legal in TT, or what might bump me out of TTC (lightweight battery, yadda yadda). The rules for boost are probably too lenient in terms of points... Someone could get twice the power as a stock motor for a +9 turbo and +4 or 5 for the ECU. Ah well... that's a different discussion

(Edit, thanks a ton Markus for chiming in!)

 

Oh man, I'd be all over that if they had them in my area... looks like I'd be in TTD.
For those of you planning on running in these make sure you keep is informed (with pics of course)...