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Old Jan 14, 2002 | 07:36 AM
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I have a 5g lude. If I was to put aftermarket cam gears and cams on my car and play with the ajustments on the cams gears would my car set back the settings on the cams.

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Old Jan 14, 2002 | 10:23 AM
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Default Re: need to clear this up (Ludicris)

nobody wants to help u out kid!!!!!!seems like no one cares
Actually, it's probably that no one has read it yet that is a regular tech answering member. And it didn't seem as if you were too helpful either.

I have a 5g lude. If I was to put aftermarket cam gears and cams on my car and play with the ajustments on the cams gears would my car set back the settings on the cams.
If I deciphered your bad grammar well enough, then your question is this:

You want to know if you put cams and cam gears on your car, if the ECU would try to get factory flow specs back by adjusting other things like it supposedly does with a VAFC, intake, header etc etc on the OBDII...

It shouldn't. It can only adjust so much, andit can only do it electronically. Cams change the lift and duration of the valves opening and closing. The adjustable cam sprocket adjusts the cam timing, changing overlap. It is a mechanical thing. The ECU can't physically turn the cam's degree's from eachother (unless you have iVTEC, which is a completely different story) and it can't control the lift of the valves.

The ECU might try to compensate for the extra fuel and air, but that's about it.
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Old Jan 14, 2002 | 10:56 AM
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Default Re: need to clear this up (JG Luder)

If you retard the exhaust cam timming, you will be retarding igntiion timming as well on a 5th gen right, since it isn't adjustable, or does the ECU adjust ignition timming automatically?
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Old Jan 14, 2002 | 11:40 AM
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Default Re: need to clear this up (Honda318dx)

On the 5th Gen you can turn the exhaust cam however you want and the ignition timing will not be affected. The TDC and CKP sensors which determine timing have been moved from the distributor to the crank in the OBD II H22a.

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I want to differentiate that ignition timing and valve timing are two different things. I don't want to confuse the original poster. The valve timing can not be compensated for by the ECU.

I've never found that cam gears do a whole lot for you, unless you have aftermarket or Type-S cams.


[Modified by DirtyLude, 12:43 PM 1/14/2002]
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Old Jan 14, 2002 | 11:41 AM
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Default Re: need to clear this up (Honda318dx)

that's another good question. JGluder would that be true.
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Old Jan 14, 2002 | 11:55 AM
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Default Re: need to clear this up (DirtyLude)

On the 5th Gen you can turn the exhaust cam however you want and the ignition timing will not be affected. The TDC and CKP sensors which determine timing have been moved from the distributor to the crank in the OBD II H22a.

edit:
I want to differentiate that ignition timing and valve timing are two different things. I don't want to confuse the original poster. The valve timing can not be compensated for by the ECU.

I've never found that cam gears do a whole lot for you, unless you have aftermarket or Type-S cams.


[Modified by DirtyLude, 12:43 PM 1/14/2002]
there ya go.

And I agree with the cam gears on stock cams... they won't give you 20+ HP like people think.
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Old Jan 14, 2002 | 11:57 AM
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Yeah, I'm not exactly clear on how much OBDII actually does to compensate. I haven't seen really any hard facts on this issue. Hopefully this thread will clear some things up. I'm just glad I got the last year of OBDI
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Old Jan 14, 2002 | 12:12 PM
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Well, if you feel adventureous it takes about 2 hours to do an install if you're taking your time and aren't cutting the valve cover. Do some dyno testing and find out.
http://www.hondaprelude.to/articles/inst_aem.html
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Old Jan 15, 2002 | 07:45 AM
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Default Re: need to clear this up (Ludicris)

hey ludicris99 it speek not spoke.
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Old Jan 15, 2002 | 03:19 PM
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Default Re: need to clear this up (sh-lude)

Speak.

And he was making fun of you, so flame him more aggressively next time.
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Old Jan 15, 2002 | 03:36 PM
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yeah, if you are going to spak something, spak it right
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