EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected....
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EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected....
...Kind of.
I got bored so I thought I'd study the track since this is going to be a driving shool to make myself better, I thought I'd see what I could figure out by looking at this small picture and make out how to take the coners and straights. Here is what I have:
Turn 1:
You are flat out entering here of course. Get used to the braking zone with the threshold the brakes will stand. WAY late apex using the whole track on exit and back over to the right to set up for turn 2.
Turn 2:
This is a sucker turn to take a middle apex. Don't do it. You will pay huge in the next turn because it is a decreasing radius turn. Late apex in 2 with as much gas pedal as it will stand. You will need to start feathering the throttle and be LEFT as possible on the track to be set up for the exit.
Turn 3:
Another late apex. But if you nail it and exit properly you will fly balistic through turn 4. Possibly at full throttle.
Turn 4:
This should be a little insane. If your heart isn't in your throat here you are mising something. It should be flat out with a mid apex. If you hit the apex early, you will be in the dirt. A late apex will just cost you a little speed at the end of the coming short straight.
Turn 5:
You will be entering far right all over the brakes. Don't turn in early or you will lose the benefit of the increasing radius turn. A late to mid apex here will allow you to run the speed up exiting the turn as it opens up.
Turn 6:
This is very connected to 5 obviously and you may be in the middle of the track through 6 with speed as it opens up.
Back over to the left of the track of course to set up for 7 & 8.
Turns 7 & 8:
This could be refered to as a single turn with double apexes. Steady throttle here. These will most likely be mid apexes that will feel like a constant radius turn to the exit of 8. Enter 7 and slide out to the left and back in for 8. Smooth is very critical here.
Turn 9:
Back on the binders looking for a WAY late apex to set up for the next turn.
Turn 10:
Late apex and accelerate for 11
Turn 11:
Depending on the speed, this could be a mid apex. If you are out in the dirt on exit, feather the throttle before entry and make the apex a little later. You definately want out of this turn in good shape and fast or you pay for it on the straight.
Turn 12:
This is another heart in your throat turn. You might get away with a little lift on the throttle to get through it with a late apex but don't go in so hot to **** up the next series of turns. If you do you blow the long straight away speed coming up soon.
Turn 13:
Carry as much speed through 13 as possible. As late an apex as possible. Don't be out in the dirt here on the right. You will take advantage of some straight line breaking pointing right at the outside of 14 as you set up for that turn in.
Turn 14:
This is a way late apex to blast you onto the front straight via turn 15.
Turn 15:
This should be mid apex flat out throttle onto the front straight! Bang some gears and look for the braking zone to enter turn 1.
Aloha,
Brandon
I got bored so I thought I'd study the track since this is going to be a driving shool to make myself better, I thought I'd see what I could figure out by looking at this small picture and make out how to take the coners and straights. Here is what I have:
Turn 1:
You are flat out entering here of course. Get used to the braking zone with the threshold the brakes will stand. WAY late apex using the whole track on exit and back over to the right to set up for turn 2.
Turn 2:
This is a sucker turn to take a middle apex. Don't do it. You will pay huge in the next turn because it is a decreasing radius turn. Late apex in 2 with as much gas pedal as it will stand. You will need to start feathering the throttle and be LEFT as possible on the track to be set up for the exit.
Turn 3:
Another late apex. But if you nail it and exit properly you will fly balistic through turn 4. Possibly at full throttle.
Turn 4:
This should be a little insane. If your heart isn't in your throat here you are mising something. It should be flat out with a mid apex. If you hit the apex early, you will be in the dirt. A late apex will just cost you a little speed at the end of the coming short straight.
Turn 5:
You will be entering far right all over the brakes. Don't turn in early or you will lose the benefit of the increasing radius turn. A late to mid apex here will allow you to run the speed up exiting the turn as it opens up.
Turn 6:
This is very connected to 5 obviously and you may be in the middle of the track through 6 with speed as it opens up.
Back over to the left of the track of course to set up for 7 & 8.
Turns 7 & 8:
This could be refered to as a single turn with double apexes. Steady throttle here. These will most likely be mid apexes that will feel like a constant radius turn to the exit of 8. Enter 7 and slide out to the left and back in for 8. Smooth is very critical here.
Turn 9:
Back on the binders looking for a WAY late apex to set up for the next turn.
Turn 10:
Late apex and accelerate for 11
Turn 11:
Depending on the speed, this could be a mid apex. If you are out in the dirt on exit, feather the throttle before entry and make the apex a little later. You definately want out of this turn in good shape and fast or you pay for it on the straight.
Turn 12:
This is another heart in your throat turn. You might get away with a little lift on the throttle to get through it with a late apex but don't go in so hot to **** up the next series of turns. If you do you blow the long straight away speed coming up soon.
Turn 13:
Carry as much speed through 13 as possible. As late an apex as possible. Don't be out in the dirt here on the right. You will take advantage of some straight line breaking pointing right at the outside of 14 as you set up for that turn in.
Turn 14:
This is a way late apex to blast you onto the front straight via turn 15.
Turn 15:
This should be mid apex flat out throttle onto the front straight! Bang some gears and look for the braking zone to enter turn 1.
Aloha,
Brandon
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Haleiwa-Brando)
The following are tips from BudMan - for experienced drivers. Newbies need to take their time & learn the track before getting a heavy foot - otherwise they will just be wasting their time correcting everywhere... <FONT COLOR="blue">My .02 is in blue after each of Brandon's descriptions.</FONT>
Nice job Brandon - you were pretty close on most of these for not having driven the track before.
Originally Posted by Haleiwa-Brando
...Kind of.
I got bored so I thought I'd study the track since this is going to be a driving shool to make myself better, I thought I'd see what I could figure out by looking at this small picture and make out how to take the coners and straights. Here is what I have:
Turn 1:
You are flat out entering here of course. Get used to the braking zone with the threshold the brakes will stand. WAY late apex using the whole track on exit and back over to the right to set up for turn 2. <FONT COLOR="blue">You're pretty close on this one. Sliding is your friend, as there's plenty of room to get set for T2-3 here</FONT>
Turn 2:
This is a sucker turn to take a middle apex. Don't do it. You will pay huge in the next turn because it is a decreasing radius turn. Late apex in 2 with as much gas pedal as it will stand. You will need to start feathering the throttle and be LEFT as possible on the track to be set up for the exit. <FONT COLOR="blue">You only need to be middle of the track between T1-2 because you just cut between the corners T2 on your left & straight across to T3 where you may need to brake a smidge or let off the gas a smidge to set the car going around the corner. T3 requires PATIENCE to get it right - but you must if you want to be fast.</FONT>
Turn 3:
Another late apex. But if you nail it and exit properly you will fly balistic through turn 4. Possibly at full throttle. <FONT COLOR="blue">PATIENCE YOUNG PADWAN - the outside of the track is off-camber, so stay mid-track around here. You will want to clip the inside bump strip as you accelerate to T4. It will seem like forever to get around T3 if you do it right, but if you don't...you'll realize how much time you wasted correcting your car to get back on the right line - MUCH longer & look silly too.</FONT>
Turn 4:
This should be a little insane. If your heart isn't in your throat here you are mising something. It should be flat out with a mid apex. If you hit the apex early, you will be in the dirt. A late apex will just cost you a little speed at the end of the coming short straight. <FONT COLOR="blue">Full throttle big boy - no need to be all the way to the right before the turn either...</FONT>
Turn 5:
You will be entering far right all over the brakes. Don't turn in early or you will lose the benefit of the increasing radius turn. A late to mid apex here will allow you to run the speed up exiting the turn as it opens up. <FONT COLOR="blue">My favorite corners T5-6 if you get them right. You turn the wheel once & use your gas pedal to make any small adjustment. You'll actually be full-throttle about 1/2 way around the T5-6 if you're on the right line because it opens up. Whoooohooooo</FONT>
Turn 6:
This is very connected to 5 obviously and you may be in the middle of the track through 6 with speed as it opens up.
Back over to the left of the track of course to set up for 7 & 8. <FONT COLOR="blue">Yup</FONT>
Turns 7 & 8:
This could be refered to as a single turn with double apexes. Steady throttle here. These will most likely be mid apexes that will feel like a constant radius turn to the exit of 8. Enter 7 and slide out to the left and back in for 8. Smooth is very critical here. <FONT COLOR="blue">Like the Ronco commericals - "Set it & forget it". Turning your wheel once will feel odd, but the track comes back to you - be patient & it will reward you.</FONT>
Turn 9:
Back on the binders looking for a WAY late apex to set up for the next turn.
<FONT COLOR="blue">Um - try not to hang out toooooo far on T9 'cause you could do something silly like say hit the front of the bump strip & find a little hole? Don't ask how I know - if you're on the right line, you should have no problem. Gotta get this one right to be good for the upcoming straight!</FONT>
Turn 10:
Late apex and accelerate for 11
<FONT COLOR="blue">Pretty much - see picture</FONT>
Turn 11:
Depending on the speed, this could be a mid apex. If you are out in the dirt on exit, feather the throttle before entry and make the apex a little later. You definately want out of this turn in good shape and fast or you pay for it on the straight. <FONT COLOR="blue">Yup</FONT>
Turn 12:
This is another heart in your throat turn. You might get away with a little lift on the throttle to get through it with a late apex but don't go in so hot to **** up the next series of turns. If you do you blow the long straight away speed coming up soon. <FONT COLOR="blue">AFTER you're comfortable with the track & your car, you will stay full throttle through here & brake before T13 instead. This one feels like a roller-coaster changing directions when done right!!</FONT>
Turn 13:
Carry as much speed through 13 as possible. As late an apex as possible. Don't be out in the dirt here on the right. You will take advantage of some straight line breaking pointing right at the outside of 14 as you set up for that turn in. <FONT COLOR="blue">Give it up here - make sure you've slowed enough to get T14 right. There isn't much room between T13 & T14. Plus you're carrying way more speed from the straight to go fast around this mild corner.</FONT>
Turn 14:
This is a way late apex to blast you onto the front straight via turn 15.
<FONT COLOR="blue">setting the car right makes this one easy - do it wrong & you'll be fighting it all the way & letting off the gas to correct, etc, etc....slowing each time - joo gotta get this right - cut the inside right corner after your late apex.</FONT>
Turn 15:
This should be mid apex flat out throttle onto the front straight! Bang some gears and look for the braking zone to enter turn 1. <FONT COLOR="blue">This is your chance to check engine temp, take a breath, etc. The fun begins again in "T minus 6 seconds and couting..."</FONT>
Aloha,
Brandon
I got bored so I thought I'd study the track since this is going to be a driving shool to make myself better, I thought I'd see what I could figure out by looking at this small picture and make out how to take the coners and straights. Here is what I have:
Turn 1:
You are flat out entering here of course. Get used to the braking zone with the threshold the brakes will stand. WAY late apex using the whole track on exit and back over to the right to set up for turn 2. <FONT COLOR="blue">You're pretty close on this one. Sliding is your friend, as there's plenty of room to get set for T2-3 here</FONT>
Turn 2:
This is a sucker turn to take a middle apex. Don't do it. You will pay huge in the next turn because it is a decreasing radius turn. Late apex in 2 with as much gas pedal as it will stand. You will need to start feathering the throttle and be LEFT as possible on the track to be set up for the exit. <FONT COLOR="blue">You only need to be middle of the track between T1-2 because you just cut between the corners T2 on your left & straight across to T3 where you may need to brake a smidge or let off the gas a smidge to set the car going around the corner. T3 requires PATIENCE to get it right - but you must if you want to be fast.</FONT>
Turn 3:
Another late apex. But if you nail it and exit properly you will fly balistic through turn 4. Possibly at full throttle. <FONT COLOR="blue">PATIENCE YOUNG PADWAN - the outside of the track is off-camber, so stay mid-track around here. You will want to clip the inside bump strip as you accelerate to T4. It will seem like forever to get around T3 if you do it right, but if you don't...you'll realize how much time you wasted correcting your car to get back on the right line - MUCH longer & look silly too.</FONT>
Turn 4:
This should be a little insane. If your heart isn't in your throat here you are mising something. It should be flat out with a mid apex. If you hit the apex early, you will be in the dirt. A late apex will just cost you a little speed at the end of the coming short straight. <FONT COLOR="blue">Full throttle big boy - no need to be all the way to the right before the turn either...</FONT>
Turn 5:
You will be entering far right all over the brakes. Don't turn in early or you will lose the benefit of the increasing radius turn. A late to mid apex here will allow you to run the speed up exiting the turn as it opens up. <FONT COLOR="blue">My favorite corners T5-6 if you get them right. You turn the wheel once & use your gas pedal to make any small adjustment. You'll actually be full-throttle about 1/2 way around the T5-6 if you're on the right line because it opens up. Whoooohooooo</FONT>
Turn 6:
This is very connected to 5 obviously and you may be in the middle of the track through 6 with speed as it opens up.
Back over to the left of the track of course to set up for 7 & 8. <FONT COLOR="blue">Yup</FONT>
Turns 7 & 8:
This could be refered to as a single turn with double apexes. Steady throttle here. These will most likely be mid apexes that will feel like a constant radius turn to the exit of 8. Enter 7 and slide out to the left and back in for 8. Smooth is very critical here. <FONT COLOR="blue">Like the Ronco commericals - "Set it & forget it". Turning your wheel once will feel odd, but the track comes back to you - be patient & it will reward you.</FONT>
Turn 9:
Back on the binders looking for a WAY late apex to set up for the next turn.
<FONT COLOR="blue">Um - try not to hang out toooooo far on T9 'cause you could do something silly like say hit the front of the bump strip & find a little hole? Don't ask how I know - if you're on the right line, you should have no problem. Gotta get this one right to be good for the upcoming straight!</FONT>
Turn 10:
Late apex and accelerate for 11
<FONT COLOR="blue">Pretty much - see picture</FONT>
Turn 11:
Depending on the speed, this could be a mid apex. If you are out in the dirt on exit, feather the throttle before entry and make the apex a little later. You definately want out of this turn in good shape and fast or you pay for it on the straight. <FONT COLOR="blue">Yup</FONT>
Turn 12:
This is another heart in your throat turn. You might get away with a little lift on the throttle to get through it with a late apex but don't go in so hot to **** up the next series of turns. If you do you blow the long straight away speed coming up soon. <FONT COLOR="blue">AFTER you're comfortable with the track & your car, you will stay full throttle through here & brake before T13 instead. This one feels like a roller-coaster changing directions when done right!!</FONT>
Turn 13:
Carry as much speed through 13 as possible. As late an apex as possible. Don't be out in the dirt here on the right. You will take advantage of some straight line breaking pointing right at the outside of 14 as you set up for that turn in. <FONT COLOR="blue">Give it up here - make sure you've slowed enough to get T14 right. There isn't much room between T13 & T14. Plus you're carrying way more speed from the straight to go fast around this mild corner.</FONT>
Turn 14:
This is a way late apex to blast you onto the front straight via turn 15.
<FONT COLOR="blue">setting the car right makes this one easy - do it wrong & you'll be fighting it all the way & letting off the gas to correct, etc, etc....slowing each time - joo gotta get this right - cut the inside right corner after your late apex.</FONT>
Turn 15:
This should be mid apex flat out throttle onto the front straight! Bang some gears and look for the braking zone to enter turn 1. <FONT COLOR="blue">This is your chance to check engine temp, take a breath, etc. The fun begins again in "T minus 6 seconds and couting..."</FONT>
Aloha,
Brandon
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (BudMan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BudMan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The following are tips from BudMan</TD></TR></TABLE>
Great writeup! Maybe if we're nice Budman will post some in-car video of a hot lap around MAM passing some C5 'vettes or something.
Great writeup! Maybe if we're nice Budman will post some in-car video of a hot lap around MAM passing some C5 'vettes or something.
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Batoutahell)
Videos??? You asked for videos?? 
Well the owner of the RX7 in these vids is coming so who ever thinks he or she is rolling this beast is out of their mind
http://www.myrx7.com/movies/
Well the owner of the RX7 in these vids is coming so who ever thinks he or she is rolling this beast is out of their mind
http://www.myrx7.com/movies/
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Bbasso)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Videos??? You asked for videos??
Well the owner of the RX7 in these vids is coming so who ever thinks he or she is rolling this beast is out of their mind
http://www.myrx7.com/movies/</TD></TR></TABLE>
hahaha, who? D? he's harmless
Well the owner of the RX7 in these vids is coming so who ever thinks he or she is rolling this beast is out of their mind
http://www.myrx7.com/movies/</TD></TR></TABLE>
hahaha, who? D? he's harmless
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Haleiwa-Brando)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...Kind of.
I got bored so I thought I'd study the track since this is going to be a driving shool to make myself better, I thought I'd see what I could figure out by looking at this small picture and make out how to take the coners and straights. </TD></TR></TABLE>
1. How can you give advice on a track you have not been to? That's saying alot about your opinion of your driving ability. Most racers don't give advice on tracks they haven't been to....
2. Do you know how much experience some of the expo participants have? Isn't this the job of instructors and seasoned veterans? I know ELEVEN people in person who have driven the track and none of them would presume to know enough to write up 'the line' like this.
3. How many track events have you done?
I don't really think offering advice on a track you haven't been to is a good idea, at all.
Jeff has been there and I'd listen to him for sure. But then again a good deal of Expo regulars have met him already and (I'd say) would trust his credibility as far as driving this track.
I'd rather watch videos to learn the track. And keep my track dissection to myself and leave it to those who have been to MAM a ton (like Wes for instance), those who would call it their 'home' track.
Unless you are driving an incredible driving simulation, you can't really learn a track unless you are ON the track learning it. This is a very fun track with some challenges, but nothing horribly hard. Not saying I have mastered it, no way, but being there for 2 days, I think most people will get the hang of it quickly and thoroughly enjoy the experience.
This is totally unacceptable. and while im the only one that writes it (because I have a BAD ATTITUDE and I have replace my blood with acid), I'm NOT the only one that thinks it.
I got bored so I thought I'd study the track since this is going to be a driving shool to make myself better, I thought I'd see what I could figure out by looking at this small picture and make out how to take the coners and straights. </TD></TR></TABLE>
1. How can you give advice on a track you have not been to? That's saying alot about your opinion of your driving ability. Most racers don't give advice on tracks they haven't been to....
2. Do you know how much experience some of the expo participants have? Isn't this the job of instructors and seasoned veterans? I know ELEVEN people in person who have driven the track and none of them would presume to know enough to write up 'the line' like this.
3. How many track events have you done?
I don't really think offering advice on a track you haven't been to is a good idea, at all.
Jeff has been there and I'd listen to him for sure. But then again a good deal of Expo regulars have met him already and (I'd say) would trust his credibility as far as driving this track.
I'd rather watch videos to learn the track. And keep my track dissection to myself and leave it to those who have been to MAM a ton (like Wes for instance), those who would call it their 'home' track.
Unless you are driving an incredible driving simulation, you can't really learn a track unless you are ON the track learning it. This is a very fun track with some challenges, but nothing horribly hard. Not saying I have mastered it, no way, but being there for 2 days, I think most people will get the hang of it quickly and thoroughly enjoy the experience.
This is totally unacceptable. and while im the only one that writes it (because I have a BAD ATTITUDE and I have replace my blood with acid), I'm NOT the only one that thinks it.
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Haleiwa-Brando)
Last I checked... this isn't gt1/2/3/4 whatever. Shouldn't we keep the e-racing to the gaming systems?
Honestly... I can't understand how anyone would really feel comfortable giving a track layout suggestion... without having ever driven it. Budman came in and made corrections, but the majority of the comments are somewhat common sense just by crunching the numbers.
I think it would wiser for novices to ignore this type of thread and instead, concentrate on what their instructors tell them. Not come to the event with the idea that they 'know' the track. That is just unsafe.
... dave... who will keep running through the last time he was at mam and just plan on relearning it when I'm here this year.
btw... i couldn't full throttle through the nice turn with no line .... off camber, on on camber, splitting the difference... if you have power you have to modulate.... but what do i know.
Its DIFFERENT for everyone and everycar
Honestly... I can't understand how anyone would really feel comfortable giving a track layout suggestion... without having ever driven it. Budman came in and made corrections, but the majority of the comments are somewhat common sense just by crunching the numbers.
I think it would wiser for novices to ignore this type of thread and instead, concentrate on what their instructors tell them. Not come to the event with the idea that they 'know' the track. That is just unsafe.
... dave... who will keep running through the last time he was at mam and just plan on relearning it when I'm here this year.
btw... i couldn't full throttle through the nice turn with no line .... off camber, on on camber, splitting the difference... if you have power you have to modulate.... but what do i know.
Its DIFFERENT for everyone and everycar
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Chris N)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't really think offering advice on a track you haven't been to is a good idea, at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I concur.
I concur.
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Are you guys ready to read my write-up on Nurburgring? I found a picture, and I've got it all ready to go
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In all seriousness, it's nice that you're thinking about it, but let the instructors show you how to drive it. I learned more from the one session w/my instructor there 1 1/2 years ago than in any other way.
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In all seriousness, it's nice that you're thinking about it, but let the instructors show you how to drive it. I learned more from the one session w/my instructor there 1 1/2 years ago than in any other way.
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Mugen Mike)
What chris said.
Track maps dont show elevation, on/off camber turns, bumps, potholes, bad **** to hit if you go off somewhere, etc, etc.... if you did that w/ summit point's shenandoah track just off the track map, you'd be off in the weeds/concrete wall in 2 laps.
How much experience do you have brandon? I have done 60+ track days in the past 3 years and I wouldnt start giving advice about tracks I have not been to, even if I've seen the maps and watched tons of video. You need to experience it for yourself before you can start dispensing advice to others - and if you really ought to have a good grasp on driving line analysis in the first place.
Track maps dont show elevation, on/off camber turns, bumps, potholes, bad **** to hit if you go off somewhere, etc, etc.... if you did that w/ summit point's shenandoah track just off the track map, you'd be off in the weeds/concrete wall in 2 laps.
How much experience do you have brandon? I have done 60+ track days in the past 3 years and I wouldnt start giving advice about tracks I have not been to, even if I've seen the maps and watched tons of video. You need to experience it for yourself before you can start dispensing advice to others - and if you really ought to have a good grasp on driving line analysis in the first place.
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (.RJ)
I'll follow budman's write up on this but the lines any different for RWD? i'm sure i'll figure em out but figured i would ask
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Haleiwa-Brando)
http://www.midamericamotorplex....mpeg
Watch this and then decide what you want to do in your head. And watch it change when you have an instructor telling you want to do. You will be amazed at life vs E-tracking.
Example. LRP, on the top of the uphill you have to turn the wheel straight before you crest or you go... uhmm slightly crooked. But there is not map or photo that can show you that.
Don't try to learn the track by maps... IMHO there is so little to learn that way your only corrupting yourself and it will be harder to learn hands on.
Come and get seat time with an open mind
Watch this and then decide what you want to do in your head. And watch it change when you have an instructor telling you want to do. You will be amazed at life vs E-tracking.
Example. LRP, on the top of the uphill you have to turn the wheel straight before you crest or you go... uhmm slightly crooked. But there is not map or photo that can show you that.
Don't try to learn the track by maps... IMHO there is so little to learn that way your only corrupting yourself and it will be harder to learn hands on.
Come and get seat time with an open mind
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but let the instructors show you how to drive it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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but let the instructors show you how to drive it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Nishant)
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The line is different for everyone, every car.
There is no way to know until you get there, try what you think is right, get some feedback from instructors, and go from there.
There is no other way, imo.
The line is different for everyone, every car.
There is no way to know until you get there, try what you think is right, get some feedback from instructors, and go from there.
There is no other way, imo.
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Chris N)
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There is no other way, imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I thought the other way was to make posts about rolling everyone, bringing guns to the expo, and then post a track description/drive-through without ever setting f00t on the track...no?
There is no other way, imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I thought the other way was to make posts about rolling everyone, bringing guns to the expo, and then post a track description/drive-through without ever setting f00t on the track...no?
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Re: EXPO 5: Mid America Motorplex : Dissected.... (Chris N)
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The line is different for everyone, every car.
There is no way to know until you get there, try what you think is right, get some feedback from instructors, and go from there.
There is no other way, imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup, i'll learn as i go. i have been doing that from track to track. its good to have a general idea before i go try some things
The line is different for everyone, every car.
There is no way to know until you get there, try what you think is right, get some feedback from instructors, and go from there.
There is no other way, imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup, i'll learn as i go. i have been doing that from track to track. its good to have a general idea before i go try some things
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damn i think everyone is being a little harsh. especially since budman chimed in and gave his experienced opinion and even stated Brandon wasnt too far off base with his analysis. of course nobody will actually know until they get on the track but i dont see a problem in hearing peoples differing views on how to take a turn or set up for the next one. and i seriously doubt anyone here read that, took notes, and intends to use them when they get to the track. looking at the map while reading what they said, i was able to see what they meant with everything they said. whether or not it was the right way to do it for a particular driver/car cant be determined until out on the course. i dont think this post is as bad as some of you are trying to make it appear.
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Re: (RTW DC2)
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I think its really arrogant and very irresponsible. If he had been there like Jeff had, or Wes, or those that have been there a ton, it would be totally different.
Like jay said, what if a racer on this board posted a review of some technically challenging European course, (like Spa? .. or Nurburgring, heh) .. And based his analysis solely on DTM, FIA GT, F1 race vids, maps, and aero photos? That's like the old thread in the RR/Autox forum that GT3 made a certain unnamed individual as good as the racers he was arguing against. Why does Chewbacca live with all those Ewoks? IT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE.
Like Aleph (GRM Scott?) when he posted his lap at BeaveRu in preparation of Expo 3. That was awesome. Why? Because he was there. He drove it well and pointed out that it was just a 'guide'.
You can't possibly 'know' the track till you have been there and driven it. just like you can't know an autox course after a walkthrough. You get a good idea, but things are different when you're on the course/track.
This board used to be much more harsh on things that were out of line, unacceptable, etc. We've all gone soft. Everyone who is mature and intelligent at expo has a great time and EVERYONE is c00l with them and verrrry helpful. I for one want that to continue. There's no need for this event to lower its standards and I don't see lowering the forum standards to be any different.
I think its really arrogant and very irresponsible. If he had been there like Jeff had, or Wes, or those that have been there a ton, it would be totally different.
Like jay said, what if a racer on this board posted a review of some technically challenging European course, (like Spa? .. or Nurburgring, heh) .. And based his analysis solely on DTM, FIA GT, F1 race vids, maps, and aero photos? That's like the old thread in the RR/Autox forum that GT3 made a certain unnamed individual as good as the racers he was arguing against. Why does Chewbacca live with all those Ewoks? IT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE.
Like Aleph (GRM Scott?) when he posted his lap at BeaveRu in preparation of Expo 3. That was awesome. Why? Because he was there. He drove it well and pointed out that it was just a 'guide'.
You can't possibly 'know' the track till you have been there and driven it. just like you can't know an autox course after a walkthrough. You get a good idea, but things are different when you're on the course/track.
This board used to be much more harsh on things that were out of line, unacceptable, etc. We've all gone soft. Everyone who is mature and intelligent at expo has a great time and EVERYONE is c00l with them and verrrry helpful. I for one want that to continue. There's no need for this event to lower its standards and I don't see lowering the forum standards to be any different.
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Re: (RTW DC2)
I agree with RTW here. Don't chide the guy for trying to understand the track before going. I'll be watching videos and reading track analysis before attending. I'm sure I'll discuss the track with 92TypeR, fso_BamBam, and penpen.
Brandon said that he is studying up on the track -- he's not trying to offer advice to people -- he's trying to prepare himself and ask questions so that he can have a good image of the track burned into his head before he goes.
His approach is admirable and not at all misguided. If he were trying to tell people how to drive the course I'd agree with the criticisms. He isn't, however:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I got bored so I thought I'd study the track since this is going to be a driving shool to make myself better, I thought I'd see what I could figure out by looking at this small picture and make out how to take the coners and straights.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Folks -- please take a deep breath and relax. The way you're phrasing comments here really comes across as unnecessarily abraisive. I know everyones' hearts are in the right places.
-Chris
Brandon said that he is studying up on the track -- he's not trying to offer advice to people -- he's trying to prepare himself and ask questions so that he can have a good image of the track burned into his head before he goes.
His approach is admirable and not at all misguided. If he were trying to tell people how to drive the course I'd agree with the criticisms. He isn't, however:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I got bored so I thought I'd study the track since this is going to be a driving shool to make myself better, I thought I'd see what I could figure out by looking at this small picture and make out how to take the coners and straights.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Folks -- please take a deep breath and relax. The way you're phrasing comments here really comes across as unnecessarily abraisive. I know everyones' hearts are in the right places.
-Chris