Do you guys think i will need one? I plan on dropping the car about 1", maybe 1.5" but that would be the lowest. I am looking into the ingalls kits.

 

I got the B2s on my car and I think that the pillow mounts throw off the camber. A camber kit wouldn't hurt.

 

how much do you have your car lowered? do you know what your camber specs are?

 

I went to one of those tire places and had my camber checked out and I had too much negative camber on the driver's side (front and rear). I don't have the specs on hand. I will have to check. I got a camber kit for the front and the rear, I haven't had a chance to put it on yet. I had mine dropped about 1.5". It seems like by just putting on the kit, throws off your camber a bit becuase of the pillow mounts. The driver's side was close to factory spec. It wasn't that bad....

 

Pillow mounts cannot change camber.

You wont need a camber kit. You just need to have a good alignment done.

 

Yup pillow mount has no affect on camber.

Do you mean that the negative camber induced by the 1" to 1.5" drop is not too bad and camber correction is not needed?

 

The negative camber was not bad from the drop, for my car it wasn't even on both sides. I may have something bent. Any reason for the camber on one side to be more negative than the other side? I checked the heights and they are the same..

 

I have even seen up to 2.5" drop with no tire wear due to camber.
Alignment is KEY.

 

I have even seen up to 2.5" drop with no tire wear due to camber.
Alignment is KEY.[/QUOTE]

So don't take it to the dealership to have an alignment done?

 

depends on the dealership

 

I had 2 inch drop and had no problems at all with tire wear. Negative camber checked in at about 2 degrees in the front. You can correct camber in he rear with washers.

 

One more question, alignment means toe settings mostly?

 

toe is pretty much all you can adjust

 

Actually i have been told that the zeals pillow mounts do adjust camber but not that much. Also Cucso makes a pillow mount for EF EG EK DA DC for less than 300 and is suppost to adjust camber up to like 3 degrees. the price was from optionsauto. i'm still looking into this and will post additional info. if anyone has gotten any different info please let me know and where you got the info. thanks

 

once again, on a double wishbone suspension, pillow mounts CANNOT adjust
anything. they are not connected directly to steering components like
a macpherson strut setup.

 

i dont mean to be rude but... what does the sterring components have to do with camber. And again i dont know about the zeals ( still looking into that ) the the cusco pillow mounts are also designed for camber adjustment. check it out if you think lying.

 

When I said steering components, i meant parts that are connected to the wheel.
I just happened to be thinking about the RSX/DC5 at the time and the steering
arm is on the shock.

But only way to adjust camber on double wishbone is to shorten the lower control
arm, lengthen the upper arm or modify the spindle.

on macphereson strut, the shock is connected to the spindle directly and turns
with the spindle. Likewise if you relocated the shock tower(as adjustable pillow
mounts do) then you will change the aspect of the spindle/wheel.

 

Thanks for the info. I was hoping you could clarify that. I found this one at optauto.com by cucsu http://www.optauto.com/webstore/prod...k=yes&dept=269 but i wonder if this is the best way to adjust camber. Skunk2 makes a very nice kit as well.

and since we're on the subject. i heard you can get positive camber out of the rear by adding washers. have you heard this one?

 

A MacPherson strut rotates on the steering axis, so if you move the placement of the top it will hcange the camber and/or caster. The shock on a wishbone suspension has nothing to do with alignment. The alignment is defined by the position of the wishbones. The axis of the wishbones is the steering axis.

It is impossible for the upper shock mounts to have any effect on alignment on a double wishbone suspension. If a manufacturer says otherwise they made a mistake.

If you want to adjust camber on the front you need to either offset the upper wishbone or move the upper balljoint. It may theoretically be possible to make the bottom of the axis movable, but it's much more complicated so nobody does it.

 

The picture shows a non honda pillow mount. they dont make something like that
for hondas because it would be of no use.

When you add washers to the upper control arm of the rear suspension you are
pushing it outward adding positive camber. make sense?

 

Oh yeah, I forgot about bending the spindle...

That kit will not adjust camber. It says:

This upper mount are available in an adjustable and non-adjustable type. The adjustable type allows you to adjust your camber without the removal of any suspension components.

The pillowball mount for Civic/Integras is the non-adjustable type.

I have the Skunk2 kit. I haven't put it on yet, but it looks very nice.

 

yes makes a lot of sense. i will have to try that and see if i cant fit the camber in the rear. Oh and i wasnt try to argue. in fact i was think in much the same way you guys are. since it isnt connected to anything but the uppermount and the LCA then it wouldnt even connect to the wheel in anyway. Buy when i saw this add i thought i was mistaken. Thank you for clairifing this again> i wonder why they posted that add if its bullsh*t you know?

 

If you were thinking the same, then why did it take *6* posts to convince you??

 

cause im about as thick header as they come. but thx again.

 

2 Questions:

When you get your alignment done, is it only aligned at the height it was done at or can you raise and lower it and still have the alignment?

Does this make sense?