Yes, we are speachless. Friend of mine has done it!!!! He went the dark side!!!!

Setup:

Integra type-R
Thicker headgasket 9.2:1 cr
370cc injectors
Apexi VAFC 1
Walbro 255lph pump
Equal length header (that cheap *** ebay crap)
2.5 inch downpipe
AEM fpr
Vortech 8:1 fmu
HKS ssq blow off
Deltagate waste gate
missing link
ARP head studs
Unifit cat
Boost, oil temp, fuel press gauges
DRAG III kit
Turbonetics T3/T04e a/r compressor .58, a/r hot side .63 (watercooled)

0,65 Bar max. boost
358HP to the crank (310whp), 317nm

stock exhaust, still stock clutch, but our goal was 60hp less than now, so he has to spend some money on a new clutch soon I guess

We made 4 dynoruns. Wastegate has a 0.5 Spring. According to the gauge it does 0.75 bar from 7500 till fuel cut. Between 4500 und 7000rpm the gauge shows 0.3 bar. I think the problem on wg w/o electrnic boost controll is, that the spring is’nt closed all the way untill max boost is reached.


Wide Band Lambda shows till 7000rpm Lambda 0.73 – 0.79 which was in the range we like to have the Lambda Value. Above 7000rpm we was way to rich, down to Lambda 0.63. So we leaned it out with the VAFC to 0.73. Se the Dynosheet from run 1 compared to run 4. finetuning is worth it! We also lowered the VTEC x-over, so the line went out way smoother.

After run 4 we was statisfied with the results. The blue line ist the power to the wheels and the red one the power to the engine. I believe the power to the engine is more important, cause my ITR has a tranny for 290kmh and between 240 and 290kmh are 40hp more which are lost in DRAG. This car has about 35hp lost in drivetrain, while mine has about 80hp lost at 290kmh. When I look at my 430whp dynplot it whows only 40hp lost at 240kmh, but 80kmh lost at 290kmh

Important for us was, not to have too much tourque below 4500rpm, cause in the past we has 2 sleeve problems with low rpm tourque.

Pmax: max engine power – 358 hp
Prad: max wheel power – 312 hp
Pverl: drive train loose – 34,5 hp
Mmax: max tourque NEWTONMETER – 315 nm

Per 0.1 Bar boost = 26 HP.
per 1 psi = 18 hp







Thanks to BEN@IMPORTPARTS. Those guys are cool, they delivered me the parts to Europe



Modified by austrian type-R at 3:02 PM 1/19/2005

 

Ever thought of using Hondata or AEM EMS instead of that apexi? Seems like it would be safer.

 

If he can afford a Integra-r and a turbo kit then he should be able to afford good fuel managment..

I dont trust the vafc ..

 

he has the VAFC back from n/a days already. We don't know the Hondata or AEM unit, the labor costs and hardware would be another 1500 euro. There are always things to improve! Pistons, rods, axles, blablabla, it never has an end. Give him time to buy part after part.

 

Nice numbers - how ditch the fmu and install a hondata or something to keep the car happy.

liam

 

I think you can pull more numbers w/ hondata

 

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370cc injectors
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0,65 Bar max. boost
358HP to the crank (310whp), 317nm
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360 BHP with 370cc injectors? What fuel pressure is he running?

 

I was running 370whp with 440cc, 2.8 bar idle fuel pressure only using 1:1 aem riser, cause I have a standalone.....never too lean and no troubles more than 1 year. Now I run 720cc, cause I make more power.

I dont know his fuel prees, but on idle like me 2.8 Bar.

 

plots are online

 

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360 BHP with 370cc injectors? What fuel pressure is he running?
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fmu

 

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fmu
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The FMU does nothing else than rising the fuel pressure.
I would think the fuel pressure must be crazy with 360 BHP and 370cc injectors.

 

it shouldnt be more than 5-6 Bar I guess. I can't remember what the fuel press agauge showed, but it was okay, and the Lambda values more than okay....hence, we had to lean out. ...and 10psi with 8:1 ricing plate is okay.

With 440cc and 430hp I had 5 Bar


Modified by austrian type-R at 3:45 PM 1/19/2005

 

damn nice numbers, but I'm still a proponent of good ecu tuning vs. mechanically forcing in fuel. I went through the FMU and then later the VAFC stage..and I was never happy with the drivability, my car always ran too rich, and not Honda-like with those setups. Now it feels like a factory tuned turbo Honda, the way it should.

 

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The FMU does nothing else than rising the fuel pressure.
I would think the fuel pressure must be crazy with 360 BHP and 370cc injectors.
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raises the fuel pressure 8psi per lbs of boost. higher fp = injectors flowing more fuel...

 

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raises the fuel pressure 8psi per lbs of boost. higher fp = injectors flowing more fuel...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Right. Like he said he has 6 Bar / 90psi fuel pressure. That's crazy.

And $10,000 for this setup is crazy too.

($10,000 is what the owner paid austrian type-R for the parts and installation)

 

I honestly don't see this set up or those injectors lasting very long. 90+psi on fuel pressure is double what a honda would normally run. Why not invest in bigger injectors and something like uberdata if hondata is too much. He would learn a hell of a lot with this, and since I have been using I 've loved it.

 

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Well he did cheap out on the rest of the kit too. . .

What a waist of $$ for the FPR, FMU and AFC. All that and you coulda paid for tuning with uberdata. . . .

 

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Well he did cheap out on the rest of the kit too. . .

What a waist of $$ for the FPR, FMU and AFC. All that and you coulda paid for tuning with uberdata. . . . </TD></TR></TABLE>

He cheaped out on the whole setup, considers the owner of the car to be his buddy (friend is the wrong translation here) and charges him $10,000.

 

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He cheaped out on the whole setup, considers the owner of the car to be his buddy (friend is the wrong translation here) and charges him $10,000.
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shut up there!

There was a whole new cyl.-head gasket kit, new timing belt, 2 hour dynotuning, 40 hour of installation, changing the downpipe cause car has a/c too. A tuner in Vienna installed the kit and the istall was 2000 euro with misc parts and dynotuning. think before you talk crap!!!!!

Show us your dynoplot, I am sure you have better numbers, right? .........

You german guys talk so much ****...why not leave this place and talk crap on hondapower.de? You german monkey never had any reliable f/i setups. You have so big mouth but never finish some project.

I brougth this car on the trailer to Vienna and back and on the dyno, I spent there 5 hours. I did all that for him. He know I earned about 500 euro, but hey. I did all the work in my free time and sometimes I need some hours off from work for duty and ****. You guy have no single clue.

 

Austria vs Germany this reminds me of world war 2... hehe

Kristian: Nice numbers, but FMU any pictures
By the way, 0,65 Bar/358HP on B18 sounds to high... you sure your dyno is calibrated right?

 

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A tuner in Vienna installed the kit and the istall was 2000 euro with misc parts and dynotuning.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh i'm sorry, so he only paid 5500 Euro = $7,200 for the parts.
That's damn cheap for a SSAutochrome manifold and a FMU

I don't want to talk smack here but i'm not one of these boot lickers you like.

All i want to say is: For $10,000 you can get a way better setup.

 

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Yes, the numbers and the dyno are nice. 360 HP @ 10psi is more than i would expect.

 

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Yes, the numbers and the dyno are nice. 360 HP @ 10psi is more than i would expect.
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yeah i donno how they got 360hp with so little boost out of b18c6 and the compression is 9,2, if it was 11,5 or so mybe...

 

Yeah that is good, considering the full-race kits have produced similar numbers but he did this with a drag kit and an FMU with the hack.

 

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Oh i'm sorry, so he only paid 5500 Euro = $7,200 for the parts.
That's damn cheap for a SSAutochrome manifold and a FMU

I don't want to talk smack here but i'm not one of these boot lickers you like.

All i want to say is: For $10,000 you can get a way better setup.
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You don't get it right?
This price incl. also parts like head gasket kit, timing belt, misc parts of 200 euro, engine oil, tranny oil, new filters, blablabla. make it better ...you are so we todd did !

Yeah, I know FMU is not the best way, but like I said, there are always things to improve......there is no end. And 3 years back most of the f/i setups was with fmu/Apexi hack and it worked...why should'nt it today.

Here in Europe there are no tuners who are knowen with aem, hondata, uberchip, etc... my tuner doies it with haltech, but that was too expensive, another 2500 euro of hardware and install which is an huge job.

I have to pay tax and duty for the parts I import from foreign countrys to Austria, you in Germany do the import illegal maybe?

I remember the days back where honda-tech was a place to show some guys some dynonumbers, but today every buttcake think he is the guru in f/i tuning. I don't need this ****. Your silly PM you sent me about me and my tuning is soooo dumb! I drive maybe the fastest Honda on this Continent and lots of tuning and know how was brought into my car......you guys know my videos and kind of driving I do with my turbo ITR for more than 3 years now...... and such an cheap guy from Germany tells me I have no clue from tuning. bruhahahahha.

You write now 3 times here I ripped of my friend and took his money. ........such bad talking is not good here. You will feel that soon my friend.

yeah, the dyno is working correct, no worries.

I don'T like to post pics of the car, cause some persons will call it rice and I do not need this. But here is a pic of the engine bay. Watergate center-section with water-earl-fiitings 150 euro extra to pay if you wanna know where my freinds money went


For the injector question: why dont you read thge faq like you should have learnd as newbie?
link to FAQ's on this Forum: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1024174
http://www.robietherobot.com/s...e.htm

370cc are good for 300hp on 43psi fuel press and 90% dutycycle. As I know (unknown I am) the oem ITR injectors run at 100% dutycycle. So if I add 20 psi more fuel press and the injectors are running 100% dutycycle which is not so a bad thing, cause you ned that maybe 1-2 seconds cause the car accelerates so fast. 63 psi fuel pressure is not so bad and even if it is 70psi. Hence, JRSC kits are running more fuel press and have no troubles. 370cc and walbro 255lph pum with a bit more fuel press and 95-100% dutycycle do the job easily.

According to the wide band lambe meter we have a/f mixture between 11.5:1 and 12.3:1. I found the conversion from LAmbda to a/f ...go to page 10 please.
http://www.hondata.com/downloads/plmmanual.pdf







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