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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 12:47 AM
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I have looked around and found like 1 on ebay and a few used ones. But the 38mm's are everywhere. Whats a good price these go for?
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 02:00 AM
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Here is one for a good price w/ dumptube

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1115880
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 02:01 AM
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alot of higher HP folks are having probs with them. Just get a 44mm
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 02:02 AM
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but no, im saying why are alot of companys not selling the 40mm
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 02:11 AM
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becuase it was disconintued well over a year ago.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 02:44 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">becuase it was disconintued well over a year ago. </TD></TR></TABLE>

that sucks...
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 02:54 AM
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the 44mm is overall a better gate, no bolts, better seal, it will control low boost better under different conditions..
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 03:05 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quik sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

that sucks...</TD></TR></TABLE>


like i said. lots of people having probs with them . that might be a reason?
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 04:50 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


like i said. lots of people having probs with them . that might be a reason?</TD></TR></TABLE>

dont say that i have one and its not in on yet.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 04:51 AM
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I spoke to tial direct and they told me that is isnt discontinued and that the 44 mm is so popular and competitively priced to the 40 that that is the reason why you dont see that many 40 on the market,plus the 44 even comes with that sexy v band setup!
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 04:56 AM
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i dunno , i was told by many that right after i got mine it was discoed. same thing with the 35. once i got it it went discoed.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 05:03 AM
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So what kinda problems are people having with them???
I just payed for one also so know i wanna know!!
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 05:26 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18c1turboedEg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what kinda problems are people having with them???
I just payed for one also so know i wanna know!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 05:31 AM
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No problems from mine. They weren't selling the 44mm when I bought my 40mm. I looked at a 46mm but didn't want to shell out that cash.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 06:01 AM
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the probs ive been seeing is i guess the gate being too small. i had a 10psi spring in and consistantly hit 15-16psi.

there were no leaks or anything. I checked everything.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 06:11 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the probs ive been seeing is i guess the gate being too small. i had a 10psi spring in and consistantly hit 15-16psi.

there were no leaks or anything. I checked everything. </TD></TR></TABLE>


So in other words it spikes alot???
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 06:34 AM
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i dont consider it a spike . I consider it an over boost. it was consistant so I never thought of it as a Spike. Jordo supposedly having the same probs as well as quite a few others here that swapped to 44mm's
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 06:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont consider it a spike . I consider it an over boost. it was consistant so I never thought of it as a Spike. Jordo supposedly having the same probs as well as quite a few others here that swapped to 44mm's</TD></TR></TABLE>

This problem your talking about isn't caused by the 40mm tial gate, its the bad positioning of the wastegate on the full race manifold. yes i said full race manifold.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 07:24 AM
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Did'nt have any issues with mine (tial 40mm) ran as little as 6psi with no spiking. With a DSBC and a 9psi spring it held 12-13 psi on low setting and 24psi with no spiking issues. Oh, by the way, check my sig below, its for sale.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 08:05 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by newgsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

This problem your talking about isn't caused by the 40mm tial gate, its the bad positioning of the wastegate on the full race manifold. yes i said full race manifold.</TD></TR></TABLE>

as much as I love full-race, you cant blame that on the manifold. I have only seen 1 honda manifold that has good wastegate placement (well 2 if you count the copy). My manifold has shitty wastegate placement with a 35mm deltagate and I have solid boost control. Corky bell said something about too big of a wastegate not regulating boost correctly? No idea why the 44 didnt do anything tho
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 08:31 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UberTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

as much as I love full-race, you cant blame that on the manifold. I have only seen 1 honda manifold that has good wastegate placement (well 2 if you count the copy). My manifold has shitty wastegate placement with a 35mm deltagate and I have solid boost control. Corky bell said something about too big of a wastegate not regulating boost correctly? No idea why the 44 didnt do anything tho </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry but I'm gona have to dissagree I personally know of 4 people that have tryed to run low boost with their full race ram horn style manifolds with 40mm gates and it has caused spikes on all 4 of them untill they switched over to the 44mm.

With full races ram horn design the exhaust gas flow only finds its way out the wastegate when there is back pressure at the turbine. That means that you have back pressure in the collector at all times.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 08:32 AM
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all the people with the probs i saw have been on that style manifold. So i can believe that.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 09:03 AM
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Damm im glad i dont have a full race then!!!!
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 12:01 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by newgsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
With full races ram horn design the exhaust gas flow only finds its way out the wastegate when there is back pressure at the turbine. That means that you have back pressure in the collector at all times.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You must be pretty bright to think there can be boost in the charge pipe and no backpressure in the turbine You are a ******* tool who shouldnt be using 40mm wastegates on a low boost honda. If you are going to flame full race, do it for their excessive hyping, manifold design copying, and price gouging.

And I suppose the wastegate placement in that inline pro manifold you are selling is better? The exhaust gas makes a 90 degree turn to enter the wg on that manifold too. Or maybe you are just saying we should all throw our manifolds away and get hytechs?
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 02:40 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UberTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You must be pretty bright to think there can be boost in the charge pipe and no backpressure in the turbine You are a ******* tool who shouldnt be using 40mm wastegates on a low boost honda. If you are going to flame full race, do it for their excessive hyping, manifold design copying, and price gouging.

And I suppose the wastegate placement in that inline pro manifold you are selling is better? The exhaust gas makes a 90 degree turn to enter the wg on that manifold too. Or maybe you are just saying we should all throw our manifolds away and get hytechs?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Who was talking about boost in the charge pipe captain jackass? There is no reason I need to flame full race for any of the reasons you mension they introduced a product and promoted it well.

I never said the placement on the inline pro was any better but it never gave me any problems with creep or boost spikes so I'm happy to say that it always worked perfectly for me. No I'm not saying throw your manifold away but for something like a hytech it wouldn't be a bad idea at least it will control boost properly at low and high boost.
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