I recently flushed by brake system with Super Blue racing fluid which is DOT 4. However, the pedal has more travel than before, which had the stock brake fluid. Could it be another case of not using Honda recommended fluid?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MAFA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I recently flushed by brake system with Super Blue racing fluid which is DOT 4. However, the pedal has more travel than before, which had the stock brake fluid. Could it be another case of not using Honda recommended fluid?</TD></TR></TABLE>

did you bleed the brakes properly? it seems like you have air in the lines. bleed it some more so you can get all the air out

 

i bled it until it was squirting blue on all four corners.


Modified by MAFA at 1:35 PM 1/18/2005

 

what technique did you use to bleed the brakes? Did someone help you?

ATE Super Blue is also a high Temp fluid that has a different range of operating temperatures to work properly. Winter is also a bad time to use that fluid because it tends to soak up water much faster than regular off the shelf fluid

 

what fluid should be used then just wondering i was going to be redoing my brakes soon and i am putting ss lines and was going to get the same brake fluid?

 

Like stated before you probably have air in the lines. Check your service manual or owners manual, it will tell you the proper sequence for bleeding. I use the same brake fluid and there is a difference from stock. Doesn't fade as fast. But I did use a power bleeder to get the brakes right.

 

i used a vacuum bleeder that sucks it out. i started at the rear right wheel, moving to calipers that are closer to the master cylinder.

 

for accords the sequence is driver front, pass. front, pass. rear, then driver rear.

after you flushed your brake fluid and bled it, give it a day or two and rebleed it. there might have been some air bubble trapped in the abs system (if you have one).. normally the 2nd bleeding takes care of the problem..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MAFA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i used a vacuum bleeder that sucks it out.</TD></TR></TABLE>For me, those things always suck air thru the bleed screw threads. Finish up the old-fashioned way with someone inside to work the pedal.

 

why is the process reversed in accords?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MAFA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why is the process reversed in accords?</TD></TR></TABLE>
starting from the farthest point to the closest is just a general rule of thumb in case there's no sequence given..

s2000 has the same sequence as accords, and nsx sequence is pass rear, driver front, driver rear, pass front.. so there's no one universal procedure..

 

Where'd you get the fluid? i cant find it around here

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MAFA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why is the process reversed in accords?</TD></TR></TABLE>The bleeding order has always been based on which circuit is more likely to push bubbles into which other circuit. Back in the day you could sorta assume they were all the same. Now it depends mostly on the plumbing details around the ABS modulator.

I'm pretty sure if you do the wrong order, the only bad thing is you probably have to go around & around a couple times before all the air bubbles work out.

 

http://www.optauto.com has it. Check in the brake section.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by syclone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for accords the sequence is driver front, pass. front, pass. rear, then driver rear.

after you flushed your brake fluid and bled it, give it a day or two and rebleed it. there might have been some air bubble trapped in the abs system (if you have one).. normally the 2nd bleeding takes care of the problem..</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong, my manual states to bleed the ABS system from RR, LF, LR, RF. Also you if you have ABS you have to bleed the accumulator.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SpeedFreak77 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wrong, my manual states...</TD></TR></TABLE>Yours must be '97 or older, since it has an ABS fluid reservoir. They're not all the same over all these years...

 

Mine is a 94 and I know they are not the same for all years that's why I put that out there just to let him know that they are different so he checks the correct order for his. Good catch.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SpeedFreak77 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mine is a 94 and I know they are not the same for all years that's why I put that out there just to let him know that they are different so he checks the correct order for his. Good catch.</TD></TR></TABLE>
if you're just adding info, why'd you say i was wrong?

..although it would be helpful if people would state which accord they're having problems with..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Atheist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where'd you get the fluid? i cant find it around here</TD></TR></TABLE>

i bought it from turner motorsports online.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SpeedFreak77 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wrong, my manual states to bleed the ABS system from RR, LF, LR, RF. Also you if you have ABS you have to bleed the accumulator.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so there is a a bleed valve on the ABS module?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MAFA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so there is a a bleed valve on the ABS module?</TD></TR></TABLE>Maybe??

My '95 Integra has a fluid reservoir & a bleed valve at the ABS module. (They're not hidden, you'll see them.) My '98 Accord has neither. I suspect Honda changed from one system to the other, across all models, beginning roughly 1998.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by syclone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you're just adding info, why'd you say i was wrong?

..although it would be helpful if people would state which accord they're having problems with..</TD></TR></TABLE>

02 accord ex-L f23 4 cylinder w/ ABS

 

are you sure you can use DOT 4...dont mind me if im wrong.

 

yeah, it's the DOT 5 that is silicon based which becomes compressionable.