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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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Default K20a Engine in a Lotus Elise......

http://www.prototyperacing.com/k20kit.htm

I went to the LA Auto Show last night and actually saw this car, and met the engineer of it all. He has since added a Jackson Racing Supercharger to the car running 10.5 lbs of boost on STOCK INTERNALS... i checked out the setup for myself, and was very pessimistac of the setup becuase of the high compression of the engine. He said that it was made possible by the custom designed Inter-cooler on the car.

I have my doubts, but I did see it with my own eyes, and the engineer assured me that as long as you get the air cool enough there should be no problems.... so my question is this...

If you do have a fantastic cooling setup, can I boost my K20a on stock internals reliably.... ????

Thanks in advance for your input... i DO NOT want to get anywhere near 10.5 lbs of boost but hell... 5 lbs would just rock the pants off my car!
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 10:02 AM
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by boost do you mean turbo or jrsc? what chassis are you talking about this being in?
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 10:32 AM
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Dude - do you know how to read <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johnkimble &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">by boost do you mean turbo or jrsc? what chassis are you talking about this being in? </TD></TR></TABLE>

ans<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pesh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He has since added a Jackson Racing Supercharger to the car running 10.5 lbs of boost on STOCK INTERNALS... </TD></TR></TABLE>

and as the title says "in a Lotus Elise"

here is a vid of N/A lotus exige vs stock
http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D &lt;---right click "save target as"

& if you think that exige or a S/C elise was fast you are missing out
ariel atom weighs approx 1005 lbs with S/C k20a 0-60 in 2.9 sec & beats a CBR 600RR around a road course
http://www.k20a.org/Atom.avi &lt;---right click "save target as"
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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Oh man those videos are sick. The gray haired gentleman in the car about halfway through the video, is the man I spoke to at the auto-show. Im just very hesitant to get my hopes up of running the jrsc even at low boost in my engine when the compression is so high.

Thanks so much for those links though, that really blew me away. In case some of you dont know the Lotus Elise is now for sale in the US and retails low 43,000$ and fully loaded is 49,000$

That is up from the last 5 months... it was for sale 41,500$ loaded for 47,000$..... I have a feeling it will keep going up, but what car doesnt anymore
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 01:52 PM
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i want one!
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 03:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adirondackR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude - do you know how to read
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its too bad he didn't state he actually HAS a lotus and wants to boost a k20a in it, flamer. for all we know he could be putting this into an EG. calm the **** down

u could also try a boosted k20a2 which could handle a lot more boost and be a lot more reliable not to mention you'd have the choice of sc or snail.
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Old Jan 14, 2005 | 01:44 AM
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runing 10.5psi isn't unheard of . alot of the cybernations stage 1 ppl are running 9psi street and 10-12 psi track on stock internals.

main upgade is the injectors and the fuel management.

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Old Jan 14, 2005 | 02:00 AM
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I know the guy who runs that shop. his name is Joe. His car really halls ***.
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Old Jan 14, 2005 | 07:37 AM
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That oil filter relocation is cool
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Old Jan 14, 2005 | 09:48 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by krystar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">runing 10.5psi isn't unheard of . alot of the cybernations stage 1 ppl are running 9psi street and 10-12 psi track on stock internals. </TD></TR></TABLE>

aren't those setups on k20a2's though?
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Old Jan 14, 2005 | 03:49 PM
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yer right. my bad. thought we were talking about k20a2's. we're talking about DC5R K20A's aren't we
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Old Jan 14, 2005 | 07:17 PM
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I love the K20 Lotus header.
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Old Jan 14, 2005 | 11:01 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adirondackR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ariel atom weighs approx 1005 lbs with S/C k20a 0-60 in 2.9 sec & beats a CBR 600RR around a road course
http://www.k20a.org/Atom.avi
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Most importantly it turned Jeremy's face into pudding

The Exige is so beautifull. They'll probably bring it over, they just wanted to soak up the money first by bringing over the Elise...that way poeple want to upgrade.
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 12:43 AM
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thats a sweet car
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 08:30 AM
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uh...wth is the point of turbocharging the k20??that lotus already runs a 3.6 second 0-60 and an 8.7 second 0-100.....Turbocharging k20's is an ignorant thing to do unless u have a base model rsx or ep3...The Type S engine has so much potential that Honda gave tuner, turbocharging it is like throwing away a perfectly good gift
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 11:04 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nkkeisuke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">uh...wth is the point of turbocharging the k20??that lotus already runs a 3.6 second 0-60 and an 8.7 second 0-100.....Turbocharging k20's is an ignorant thing to do unless u have a base model rsx or ep3...The Type S engine has so much potential that Honda gave tuner, turbocharging it is like throwing away a perfectly good gift</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you high? I just finished installing a Cybernation stage 1 turbo kit on an RSX-S and the car hauls so much *** the stock tires can't hold traction past 7000 rpm at three-quarter throttle. It's on 7psi - wastegate limited - and with the Guardian that came with the kit it runs smoother than stock but with 50-70% more power.

Don't speak if you don't know **** about the topic. The K20A2 is a brilliant platform for forced induction and you're a moron if you think otherwise.
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 11:32 AM
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Those pair of Lotus' at the show were amazing. The Supercharged one puts down 338whp and goes 0-60 in 2.9 It was one of my favorites from the show.

here's a pic of the s/c'd motor


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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 02:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Are you high? I just finished installing a Cybernation stage 1 turbo kit on an RSX-S and the car hauls so much *** the stock tires can't hold traction past 7000 rpm at three-quarter throttle. It's on 7psi - wastegate limited - and with the Guardian that came with the kit it runs smoother than stock but with 50-70% more power.

Don't speak if you don't know **** about the topic. The K20A2 is a brilliant platform for forced induction and you're a moron if you think otherwise.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The motor was designed for NA, but it can be turboed. but how long will a turbo motor last. more power means more pressure on parts. I mean I love turbo vtec motors but from the factory it is a awesome motor.
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 03:23 PM
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I'm sorry i feel drag is ignorant for that reason, i would never run a turbo honda you simply can't outrun a NA honda on a road race track, the characteristics are to extreme between the 2 ways of tuning, sorry to offend any draggers but its got to be one of the most ignorant form of motorsports...NA&gt;Turbo
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 04:28 PM
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Was this Elise the USDM one that came with the Celica motor, or was it the EDM one with the Rover motor?

I would think the USDM motor would be plenty good using the Celica motor and a Turbo (or Supercharger if they make 'em). It shouldn't be too hard to get a 2ZZGE (or whatever their called ) to maintain 220 Ft-lbs out to 8000 RPM to get that 340 HP figure, and it will save you a ton not doing all the custom fabbing and purchasing a one of the most overpriced engine brands.

Otherwise I think from what I've heard the Rover motor was not very good (weren't early Elises like 120HP or something??).
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 04:38 PM
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BTW, don't feel bad we all have different opinions. I think Highway racing is a perfectly good way of proving your cars worth....but some poeple get major butthurt if they can't start a race with a burnout.....maybe they need a better car so they can do a burnout in 3rd gear @ 60 MPH on the highway
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 05:23 PM
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That engine shows some useage now.
This is back when Joe had barelly installed it and Doug was tunning it.
Car is a beauty




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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 07:29 PM
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2.9 seconds, thats ******* insane, omg i want an elise minus the motor.
thats just awesome, i also have to aggree that our k20's are made to be NA and the elise is also made to be NA
I LOVE NA
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Old Jan 15, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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Old Jan 16, 2005 | 09:09 AM
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