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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 09:17 AM
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I saw this posted in another forum and since the Formula 1 season has started (well, testing anyway, and that's good enough for me), I thought I'd share here. Not sure how accurate the dialogue is, but the actual incident is widely believed to be true.

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The scene: Eddie Irvine is sitting alone on a table in the Jordan cabin. Jordan's commercial manager, Rubens Barichello and several other people, mostly Team members, are also present. Suzuka was Irvine's first ever F1 race and everyone is watching a re-run of the Senna-Hill-Irvine incident.

Suddenly the door opens and in walks Ayrton Senna accompanied by Norman Howell, director of communications for McLaren and Giorgio Ascanelli, Senna's engineer.

Senna is looking for Irvine, but either he doesn't see him or he doesn't recognise him. Eddie Irvine raises his hand and Senna walks over to him ...

Irvine : Here!

Senna : What the **** do you think you were doing?

Irvine : I was racing!

Senna : You were racing? Do you know the rule that you're supposed to let the leaders come by when you're a back marker?

Irvine : If you were going fast enough, it was no problem.

Senna : I overtook you! And you went three times off the road in front of me, at the same place, like a ******* idiot, where there was oil. And you were throwing stones and all things in front of me for three laps. When I took you, you realised I was ahead of you. And when I came up behind Hill, because he was on slicks and in difficulties, you should have stayed behind me. You took a very big risk to put me out of the race.

Irvine : Where did I put you in any danger?

Senna : You didn't put me in any danger?

Irvine : Did I touch you? Did I touch you once?

Senna : No, but you were that much from touching me, and I happened to be the ******* leader. I HAPPENED TO BE THE ******* LEADER!

Irvine : A miss is as good as a mile.

Senna : I tell you something. If you don't behave properly in the next event, you can just rethink what you do. I can guarantee you that.

Irvine : The stewards said "No problem. Nothing was wrong."

Senna : Yeah? You wait till Australia. You wait till Australia, when the stewards will talk to you. Then you tell me if they tell you this.

Irvine : Hey, I'm out there to do the best for me.

Senna : This is not correct. You want to do well. I understand, because I've been there I understand. But it's very unprofessional. If you are a back marker, because you happen to be lapped ...

Irvine : But I would have followed you if you'd overtaken Hill!

Senna : You should let the leader go by ...

Irvine : I understand that fully!

Senna : ... and not come by and do the things you did. You nearly hit Hill in front of me three times, because I saw, and I could of collected you and him as a result, and that's not the way to do that.

Irvine : But I'm racing! I'm racing! You just happened to ...

Senna : You're not racing! You're driving like a ******* idiot. You're not a racing driver, you're a ******* idiot!

Irvine: You talk, you talk. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Senna : I was in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Irvine : Yes. I was battling with Hill.

Senna : Really? Really? Just tell me one thing. Who is supposed to have the call? You, or the leader of the race who comes through to lap you?

Irvine : The leader of the race.

Senna : So what have you done?

Irvine : You, you were too slow, and I had to overtake you to try to get at Hill.

Senna : Really? How did I lap you if I was too slow?

Irvine : Rain. Because on slicks you were quicker than me, on wets you weren't.

Senna : Really? Really? How did I come and overtake you on wets?

Irvine : Huh?

Senna : How come I overtook you on wets?

Irvine : I can't remember that. I don't actually remember the race.

Senna : Exactly. Because you are not competent enough to remember. That's how it goes you know.

Irvine : Fair enough. Fair enough. That's what you think.

Senna : You be careful guy.

Irvine : I will. I'll watch out for you.

Senna : You're gonna have problems not with me only, but with lots of other guys, also the FIA.

Irvine : Yeah?

Senna : You bet.

Irvine : Yeah? Good.

Senna : Yeah? It's good to know that.

Irvine : See you out there.

Senna : It's good to know that.

Irvine : See you out there ...

Appearing to turn away Senna then turns back and hits Irvine with his left hand. The blow lands on the right side of Irvine's head. Irvine loses his balance and falls off the table. Senna is still shouting as he is hustled towards the door.

Irvine yells "Insurance claim there!"

Senna (leaving) retorts "You got to learn to respect where you're going wrong!"
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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 01:09 PM
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Wow, get to drive fast cars, make umpty million $, and act like an *** too. What a rough job.
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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 06:41 PM
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Wow, get to drive fast cars, make umpty million $, and act like an *** too. What a rough job.
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 05:03 AM
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.... and of course being forced to live in Monaco 'cause it's centrally located or something like that.
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 05:33 AM
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.... and of course being forced to live in Monaco 'cause it's centrally located or something like that.
I believe it's the tax laws on Monaco which are such a huge benefit to the drivers.
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 08:00 AM
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That whole conversation makes me think of some drivers *I* know....., and I don't know any F1 drivers!

Karen
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 08:07 AM
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That whole conversation makes me think of some drivers *I* know....., and I don't know any F1 drivers!
Yeah, it's like me and Perinis at the Solo II Nationals in '99 ... playing Gran Turismo in our hotel room!

George: You hit me!
Me: I barely touched you.
George: You knocked me off line!
Me: It was MY apex.
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 08:08 AM
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Senna was one of the greatest at his sport. RIP.

Besides, Irvine deserved more than just a smack in the head.
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 09:28 AM
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the benefit is that there is NO income tax... none, zilch, zip, 0, nada.
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 09:35 AM
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George: You hit me!
Me: I barely touched you.
George: You knocked me off line!
Me: It was MY apex.
that reminds me of all too familiar arguements between Corey and myself........

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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 09:53 AM
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you damn early apexer!!
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 09:58 AM
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that reminds me of all too familiar arguements between Corey and myself........
Then you have guys like Eric "Crosser" Carman who blatantly ram you (like the last turn at Laguna Seca when you're in a comfortable lead and he just doesn't brake for the turn).

Me: You hit me!
Eric: <giggling> I know man, I couldn't resist.

We refer to that technique as "carman-izing."
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 10:26 AM
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sometimes you can't help a little contact after sliding through the grass on the inside of the turn and drifting out
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 03:36 PM
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As I recall ... after that particular race Gerhard Berger (Senna's team mate at the time) was having a drink or two or of brandy or schnapps or something, and Berger kept telling Senna (egging him on), that Irvine shouldn't have attempted that move and all ..., and that Senna should go over to Eddie and give him a good talking to (or something of that ilk).

Was this after Phoenix GP, in like 90?
I was there for that race!
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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 03:46 PM
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That whole conversation makes me think of some drivers *I* know....., and I don't know any F1 drivers!

Karen
Don't be modest Karen...You know F1 drivers. Come on you can admit it...We know you do...hehehe. I bet one of them has worn the bud dress.


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Old Jan 11, 2002 | 03:49 PM
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that reminds me of all too familiar arguements between Corey and myself........

Then you have guys like Eric "Crosser" Carman who blatantly ram you (like the last turn at Laguna Seca when you're in a comfortable lead and he just doesn't brake for the turn).

Me: You hit me!
Eric: <giggling> I know man, I couldn't resist.

We refer to that technique as "carman-izing."
It is a dirty lie...a lie I tell you....
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Old Jan 12, 2002 | 09:09 AM
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Don't be modest Karen...You know F1 drivers. Come on you can admit it...We know you do...hehehe. I bet one of them has worn the bud dress.
Well, unless John Thomas or Chris Lindberg has starting running F1....

Of course, I am accused of "knowing everyone," so maybe I do know an F1 driver... and just don't know it yet! I can at least lay claiming to knowing TransAm and World Challenge drivers.

Karen
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Old Jan 12, 2002 | 06:20 PM
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Of course, I am accused of "knowing everyone," so maybe I do know an F1 driver... and just don't know it yet!
You really know everyone? Wow, maybe you and I should meet... I could use a link to everyone... Can I meet Sandra Bullock?

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Old Jan 13, 2002 | 12:09 PM
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..the time that Bernoldi "held-up" Coulthard at Monaco this past season, and all the heat that he got for doing so. Although Coulthard wasn't lapping Bernoldi, DC felt that Bernoldi should have simply let him by b/c DC was competeting for the Championship, while Bernoldi was simply a backmarker taking up space.
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Old Jan 14, 2002 | 04:25 AM
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..the time that Bernoldi "held-up" Coulthard at Monaco this past season, and all the heat that he got for doing so. Although Coulthard wasn't lapping Bernoldi, DC felt that Bernoldi should have simply let him by b/c DC was competeting for the Championship, while Bernoldi was simply a backmarker taking up space.
Coulthard mysteriously gets held up by everybody.
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Old Jan 14, 2002 | 05:10 AM
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You really know everyone? Wow, maybe you and I should meet... I could use a link to everyone... Can I meet Sandra Bullock?
No, no, I'm just accused of knowing everyone!

Karen
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