As of now im considering whether to make a boosted ls or build an all motor GSR.Ive got about 3k right now and have a few months before i want to do this.I want somewhat of reliability but at the same time i also what some raw power(this will be a daily driver)which should i go with?

thanks

 

are you doing the work yourself or having a shop do it? oh and make sure you got some money.

 

most likely a shop.then i would have it tuned

 

IMO it depends on how you are going to drive the car....

 

It would be a daily driver and on the weekend i would go to the track.

 

No, I mean your driving style... different power bands, different block design - vtec oil squirters, block girdle-...

 

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boost the LS
how much are you willing to spend?
if you are mosstly doing daily driving and want something simple around the 3K range, then i would get a greddy kit. nice turbo, spools up real quick, great steetability and can still lay down good numbers at the track.

now if you got more money to spend, then go custom with a bigger turbo to put some better numbers at the track but you will sacrafice spool time.
but IMO a greddy turbo kit is more than enough for the street.

 

i'm a sucker for boost, but it could always bring about a lot of headaches. but then again so can all motor. i say flip a coin

 

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boost the LS
how much are you willing to spend?
if you are mosstly doing daily driving and want something simple around the 3K range, then i would get a greddy kit. nice turbo, spools up real quick, great steetability and can still lay down good numbers at the track.

now if you got more money to spend, then go custom with a bigger turbo to put some better numbers at the track but you will sacrafice spool time.
but IMO a greddy turbo kit is more than enough for the street. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I will prolly have about 5k by the time i want to do this.

 

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how much power do you want?
what are your goals in general besides going fast?

 

if good numbers to you- with the kit the other dude is talking about - is 13.9?

BTW, are you talking 3k for shop labor and parts?

That difference is huge, good shop time being no less than $60/hr

 

for this car im trying to get into the (hopefully) mid to low 13s. doesnt matter which way boosted or all motor.

 

I would say all motor b18c1 just because it's a more reliable engine. It's got a way better block, and a better flowing head. Although some people say the ls is a "boost ready" motor because of it's already low compression, i would rather boost a b18c1 over a b18b any day. Low r/s ratio and crappy cylinder walls makes me edgy.

 

not to mention no piston oil squirters or block girdle, doesn't make me want to be rev happy. Not to confuse you ( I would do NA) but if you want to compare turbo kits : http://www.turbo-kits.com/integra_turbo_kits.html

There's nothing like the look of an owner of a V8/ turbo car you just beat, when you tell them you are NA!!!

 

you could pull better times with boost, and you would have a better midrange off and on boost. Do it right the first time and you can have a nice turbo motor

 

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truthfully, itll take you much more money to make a NA gsr hit low 13's compared
to just turbo ls motor. boost the ls. with 5K you can do a lot actually.

**these are just estimates:**
benson sleeves 950
je pistons 450
eagle rods 350
that leaves you with over 3K for turbo parts and you have a built motor. turn up the boost, throw on some slicks, your good for 12's

 

build the gsr dude, its safer and more reliable, turbos are fun and faster but its your daily driver build it make it a strong motor than boost it in a year when you get the dough again

 

ok, i had a pretty serious all motor project lined up for this spring... dart block, head, the works.....

**** it. dark side here i come. turbo kit and sleeved block on its way to my house right now. boost the damn car. 10 psi on a gsr motor is like 300whp! a number UNIMAGINEABLE by any b series all motor. the 10 sec eriks civic only has 260!!! turbo lag, blah blah, feel the pull!

 

okay, build an all motor LS/VTEC.. it will cost more money in the end, but youll have significant power throughout the entire rpm range.. so that means, from the time you hit the gas, to the time you hit redline, you have sick power.
ive been thinking about the same thing you are and i have decided to start an all-motor project. youll have a huge powerband if you do it right and 220whp all-motor spanks a few turbo LS's if ya ask me. like i said, it will come with a little investment, but youll be happier in the end. for a daily driver, you want to feel that power right away, not to mention your internals will eventually be beefed up hopefully and you wont just be throwin alot of air into the head for more power, LS cylinder head walls are thin and i wouldnt trust them. look for deals on websites to make your all-motor app. as cheap as possible. gl

 

with the money you spend on a lsvtec to get 220 whp
you will make well over 400whp on a turbo ls setup for probably less

 

Boosted LS gets my vote. But if youre gonna have a shop do all of this then youre probably gonna get ripped off. If I were you, Id just by a car that is fast from the factory.

 

LS MONSTA

 

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Couldnt agree more. BTW do a search, this comes up many times and leads to the same thing.

 

I've had both a boosted LS and currently an all motor gsr (all motor engine was in an integra and now in a civic hatch).

IMO, if you want the best of both worlds with a $3k budget... go turbo LS all the way. Although the GSR is a superior engine design.. you won't get far w/ $3k n/a... the moment you crack open that block to replace the internals... that's your $3k gone pretty much... won't leave $$ for tuning, etc. A boosted LS can easily surpass a decent GSR n/a build $ for $ and hp for hp. If you get the LS tuned right IMMEDIATELY and buy the right parts and have it installed with care by a pro... about 8psi will have you right where you want to be... good power with a fair level of reliability.

And for the guy that said n/a GSR is more reliable... I see where you're coming from... but I gotta disagree... n/a means you will be racing to redline to stay w/ the competition... with boost... you don't NEED to hit 8k every time.

 

go buy a crv motor for cheap and boost it, its like a 2.0 turbo ls then