Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace?
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Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace?
Just wondering if anyone had this piece and can provide any comment. I was originally looking for a good rear strut bar only until I came across this item which seems like a really good price if everything in the pic is included.
http://www.weapon-r.com/store/...arch2
http://www.weapon-r.com/store/...arch2
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Re: Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace? (n1div)
Not too shabby from a price standpoint. When it comes to bracing, as long as the materials used can hold up to the stress it will be put through, they should theoretically all perform or do the same job correct?
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Re: Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace? (mrx381)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrx381 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not too shabby from a price standpoint.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i can find you some useless shiny metal for a fraction of that cost.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrx381 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When it comes to bracing, as long as the materials used can hold up to the stress it will be put through, they should theoretically all perform or do the same job correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes, assuming there is massive amount of flex in the chassis, which i have yet to see proven.
do a search for strut tower bars in the rr/autox forum, a pretty knowledgeable group imo.
i can find you some useless shiny metal for a fraction of that cost.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrx381 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When it comes to bracing, as long as the materials used can hold up to the stress it will be put through, they should theoretically all perform or do the same job correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes, assuming there is massive amount of flex in the chassis, which i have yet to see proven.
do a search for strut tower bars in the rr/autox forum, a pretty knowledgeable group imo.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike C »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i can find you some useless shiny metal for a fraction of that cost.
yes, assuming there is massive amount of flex in the chassis, which i have yet to see proven.
do a search for strut tower bars in the rr/autox forum, a pretty knowledgeable group imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The argument on strut bars is just like people trying to argue stainless steel brake lines and I'd rather not have those two useless discussions in this post.
I'm merely asking if anyone has this piece and can comment on it.
Once again no post that can answer the question directly without going off on a tangent...
i can find you some useless shiny metal for a fraction of that cost.
yes, assuming there is massive amount of flex in the chassis, which i have yet to see proven.
do a search for strut tower bars in the rr/autox forum, a pretty knowledgeable group imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The argument on strut bars is just like people trying to argue stainless steel brake lines and I'd rather not have those two useless discussions in this post.
I'm merely asking if anyone has this piece and can comment on it.
Once again no post that can answer the question directly without going off on a tangent...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by n1div »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The argument on strut bars is just like people trying to argue stainless steel brake lines and I'd rather not have those two useless discussions in this post.</TD></TR></TABLE>
not really, ss brake lines are known to function better than their rubber counterparts.
not really, ss brake lines are known to function better than their rubber counterparts.
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I was wondering about this setup myself. Everyone raves abou the EM racing triangulated strut bar setup, this is the exact same setup for a coupe, for a fraction of the cost.
How much it really helps is another question all together, but Id say it does the exact same job as the EM racing strut bar setup and any other rear upper bar for that matter.
But for the price, I dont think you can go wrong....
I think Ill get it, paint it flat black or grey or something (not a fan of polished, although it would be nice to have it brushed....brushed aluminum looks nice)
How much it really helps is another question all together, but Id say it does the exact same job as the EM racing strut bar setup and any other rear upper bar for that matter.
But for the price, I dont think you can go wrong....
I think Ill get it, paint it flat black or grey or something (not a fan of polished, although it would be nice to have it brushed....brushed aluminum looks nice)
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike C »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
not really, ss brake lines are known to function better than their rubber counterparts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
only on a race car for me. i think anyone with them on a street car needs to read this http://nsxprime.com/FAQ/Performance/brakelines.htm (not directed at you, just had this link in my favorites
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not really, ss brake lines are known to function better than their rubber counterparts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
only on a race car for me. i think anyone with them on a street car needs to read this http://nsxprime.com/FAQ/Performance/brakelines.htm (not directed at you, just had this link in my favorites
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Re: Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace? (n1div)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The WR X-CROSS STRUTBARS were designed to elimnate any body roll from the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
oh really???
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Made of Billet 7075 Aluminum to ensure strength, weight savings and durability.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you can save more weight by not using it...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This Rear Strut Bar ties all the most rigid points of the car together to obtain a SUPER RIGID CHASSIS.</TD></TR></TABLE>
...because chassis torsion is most significant BEHIND the rear wheels.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So if your heavily into Road Racing or Drag Racing this is the only Strut Bar you will ever Need!</TD></TR></TABLE>
i personally don't know any road racers who use this.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by awdriscol4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Everyone raves abou the EM racing triangulated strut bar setup...</TD></TR></TABLE>
those same 'ravers' wouldn't know the difference between body roll and chassis flex. face it, they rave cause it's shiny.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by awdriscol4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think Ill get it, paint it flat black or grey or something (not a fan of polished, although it would be nice to have it brushed....brushed aluminum looks nice)</TD></TR></TABLE>
this comment pretty much sums up your true motives; otherwise, you'd be looking in another direction.
just my $0.02
oh really???
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Made of Billet 7075 Aluminum to ensure strength, weight savings and durability.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you can save more weight by not using it...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This Rear Strut Bar ties all the most rigid points of the car together to obtain a SUPER RIGID CHASSIS.</TD></TR></TABLE>
...because chassis torsion is most significant BEHIND the rear wheels.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So if your heavily into Road Racing or Drag Racing this is the only Strut Bar you will ever Need!</TD></TR></TABLE>
i personally don't know any road racers who use this.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by awdriscol4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Everyone raves abou the EM racing triangulated strut bar setup...</TD></TR></TABLE>
those same 'ravers' wouldn't know the difference between body roll and chassis flex. face it, they rave cause it's shiny.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by awdriscol4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think Ill get it, paint it flat black or grey or something (not a fan of polished, although it would be nice to have it brushed....brushed aluminum looks nice)</TD></TR></TABLE>
this comment pretty much sums up your true motives; otherwise, you'd be looking in another direction.
just my $0.02
Re: Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace? (slateraptor)
its generally thought that most hondas dont need "strut bars." Since i've never put one on either of my crxs i cant tell you IF they help. I will say that my A1 chasis VW "felt" tighter with them on... and went to imediate 3 wheel action at the autoxs.
A note to the honda heads... like Mike... IF we ever plan on building the cars we drive to be track cars... you might want to consider them as a cheaper alternative to the penalties for extending a cage into the engine bay and adding more cage bar in the rear? Not only cheaper but no penalty. ALSO look at some of the H1 cars... the front guys are all running them... they arent what put them up front but i doubt they would use it if it didnt help at all. just food for thought.
A note to the honda heads... like Mike... IF we ever plan on building the cars we drive to be track cars... you might want to consider them as a cheaper alternative to the penalties for extending a cage into the engine bay and adding more cage bar in the rear? Not only cheaper but no penalty. ALSO look at some of the H1 cars... the front guys are all running them... they arent what put them up front but i doubt they would use it if it didnt help at all. just food for thought.
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Re: Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace? (MMsportsRexSi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MMsportsRexSi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ALSO look at some of the H1 cars... the front guys are all running them... they arent what put them up front but i doubt they would use it if it didnt help at all. just food for thought. </TD></TR></TABLE>
have they run without them? i bet they wouldn't drop a fraction of a second per lap. any gains are well within the typical variance per lap, therefore, not worth a few hundred bucks.
have they run without them? i bet they wouldn't drop a fraction of a second per lap. any gains are well within the typical variance per lap, therefore, not worth a few hundred bucks.
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Oh boy, here we go again.
I should've stated that I wasn't looking for any significant increase or any increase. If there are any increases, then it's icing on the cake for me. If not, then it's just another present for my car.
Items like this can be a touchy subject imo since it can affect transient response that can vary from car to car and from person to person depending on setup and person's driving skills and confidence.
These items don't directly correlate with better handling that can be measured on a global level. For example, this bar might give a better "feel" to the car on a specific setup on a person that has x kind of driving style, confidence, and skill level. If this bar changes the feel of the car(not necessarily overall handling g's) to the particular person, it might inspire some additional confidence in him allowing him to take a different line, brake later, accelerate out earlier, etc. because it "feels" better and this can in return correlate to a better lap time for that particular person with that particular car setup. Does this mean that it will have the same effect on a global level? Of course not but there are a lot of people that do various things to suit their racing style or preference.
I look at it like SS brake lines which can give additional confidence by delivering greater input to the driver so he can modulate the brakes more effectively. To some, this helps out tremendously where others aren't affected by it as much.
My additional $.02
I should've stated that I wasn't looking for any significant increase or any increase. If there are any increases, then it's icing on the cake for me. If not, then it's just another present for my car.
Items like this can be a touchy subject imo since it can affect transient response that can vary from car to car and from person to person depending on setup and person's driving skills and confidence.
These items don't directly correlate with better handling that can be measured on a global level. For example, this bar might give a better "feel" to the car on a specific setup on a person that has x kind of driving style, confidence, and skill level. If this bar changes the feel of the car(not necessarily overall handling g's) to the particular person, it might inspire some additional confidence in him allowing him to take a different line, brake later, accelerate out earlier, etc. because it "feels" better and this can in return correlate to a better lap time for that particular person with that particular car setup. Does this mean that it will have the same effect on a global level? Of course not but there are a lot of people that do various things to suit their racing style or preference.
I look at it like SS brake lines which can give additional confidence by delivering greater input to the driver so he can modulate the brakes more effectively. To some, this helps out tremendously where others aren't affected by it as much.
My additional $.02
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ah! they just like to see the mugen bling in the engine bay... and they just love taking it off when they work on the car between practices and races... its just worthless
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MMsportsRexSi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ah! they just like to see the mugen bling in the engine bay... and they just love taking it off when they work on the car between practices and races... its just worthless </TD></TR></TABLE>
until proven otherwise, yes.
until proven otherwise, yes.
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man i miss the MM arguements... Mike we need to start a political thread on the MM forum just for old times sake!
btw... prove to me they dont reduce chasis flex
especially with the R compounds and stiff suspensions...
ps- they wouldnt seem weld the cars if there wasnt flex...
btw... prove to me they dont reduce chasis flex
especially with the R compounds and stiff suspensions... ps- they wouldnt seem weld the cars if there wasnt flex...
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there is no proven data on the subject so it is my word against your word. your word weighs a pound or two, takes a few minutes from your life, and costs a few bucks.... i'll take my word. seam welding a car reinforces the entire chassis, these bar thingies reinforce places that do not necessarily flex, but easily accept bars.
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well i did your rr/autox search... pooh pooh with results... its the same BS... me vs. you
and bring your punk *** down to VIR will you... we can smoke black and milds at 6am on the way to the track like old times! and give out spotless spoon awards!
oh the subject... if you want to bling... BLING ON!
and bring your punk *** down to VIR will you... we can smoke black and milds at 6am on the way to the track like old times! and give out spotless spoon awards!
oh the subject... if you want to bling... BLING ON!
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Re: Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace? (slateraptor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slateraptor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this comment pretty much sums up your true motives; otherwise, you'd be looking in another direction.
just my $0.02</TD></TR></TABLE>
Lol, you're exactly right....just like my CF lip (which provides very little if no down force), my 5 lug suspension (do you really NEED it?? No....), My paint job (wasn't the paint fine before....yep) and basically evey other part that isn't needed on the street. Im sure EVERY part on your car is purely functional...right?? And if it is ...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike C »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there is no proven data on the subject so it is my word against your word. </TD></TR></TABLE>
This guy has a point, I cant show you anything saying that these braces improve chassis flex, but is there any data showing that they dont improve chassis flex? And if there is, please link it so the rest of us may be enlightened.
just my $0.02</TD></TR></TABLE>
Lol, you're exactly right....just like my CF lip (which provides very little if no down force), my 5 lug suspension (do you really NEED it?? No....), My paint job (wasn't the paint fine before....yep) and basically evey other part that isn't needed on the street. Im sure EVERY part on your car is purely functional...right?? And if it is ...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike C »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there is no proven data on the subject so it is my word against your word. </TD></TR></TABLE>
This guy has a point, I cant show you anything saying that these braces improve chassis flex, but is there any data showing that they dont improve chassis flex? And if there is, please link it so the rest of us may be enlightened.
Re: Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace? (awdriscol4)
we cant prove one way or the other... i'm just bored at work just like mike and we like to argue for no reason... no matter what side i am he likes to take the other 
and vise versa...
and vise versa...
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Re: Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace? (MMsportsRexSi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MMsportsRexSi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we cant prove one way or the other... i'm just bored at work just like mike and we like to argue for no reason... no matter what side i am he likes to take the other and vise versa... </TD></TR></TABLE>
Hahahaha....sounds just like me....bored at work and willing to argue anything!!
and vise versa... </TD></TR></TABLE>Hahahaha....sounds just like me....bored at work and willing to argue anything!!
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Re: Anyone have the Weapon R rear strut brace? (MMsportsRexSi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MMsportsRexSi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we cant prove one way or the other... i'm just bored at work just like mike and we like to argue for no reason... no matter what side i am he likes to take the other and vise versa... </TD></TR></TABLE>
Honda-Tech = bunch of arguments, little answers to the original question.
and vise versa... </TD></TR></TABLE>Honda-Tech = bunch of arguments, little answers to the original question.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by n1div »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I should've stated that I wasn't looking for... any increase. If there are any increases, then it's icing on the cake for me. If not, then it's just another present for my car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If that is the case, I suggest you pose your question here...
https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum?id=28
If that is the case, I suggest you pose your question here...
https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum?id=28
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