TDC problem...please help
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I already searched but i couldnt find what i was looking for, so here is my problem..(by the way i have a first gen B16A) I was taking the head off so i could work on it and i took off the valve cover and (i think i screwed up here on the order of things) then i loosened the timing belt tensioner, then i pulled off the timing belt and then looked back at the helms manual and realized my screw up, i didnt put it on top dead center, my crank pulley doesnt have the lines on it and i dont see a line on the lower timing belt cover, so i tightened the timing belt tensioner back to 40 ft-lbs after i put the timing belt back on the cam gears, then i tried to turn the intake cam and the teeth didnt catch the cam gear at all and it would sort of skip, so i am now real confused and i dont know what to do, please help. Someone give me some type of step by step type thing to repair this. Thanks honda-tech-ers
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Prolly the best step-by-step. Good luck
Prolly the best step-by-step. Good luck
Look at the crankpulley again. There should be three marks on it (2 red and 1 white). The white one is TDC. Find the pointer on the lower timing belt cover. Line up the white mark with the pointer. Make sure cyl 1 is a TDC.
The cam pulleys have "up" engraved into them. Make sure "up" is facing up. 90 degress from "up" there will be a mark on the campulley. These marks should face each other and also be parallel with the head.
Rotate the crankpulley ccw 3 teeth on campulleys to create tension. Torque tensioner to 33 ft.lbs.
I always spin the crankpulley ccw manually afterwards to check my work.
The cam pulleys have "up" engraved into them. Make sure "up" is facing up. 90 degress from "up" there will be a mark on the campulley. These marks should face each other and also be parallel with the head.
Rotate the crankpulley ccw 3 teeth on campulleys to create tension. Torque tensioner to 33 ft.lbs.
I always spin the crankpulley ccw manually afterwards to check my work.
Here's another one: http://www.hondatuningmagazine...ming/
It's a step by step for D series motors, but it might still be helpful.
EDIT: I'm trying to do this but I don't have timing belt covers as of now. Is there anyway to do it without them? Does the mark on the crank gear and the block (from that B series how-to) apply for D series motors as well?
Modified by 1987CRXSi at 3:03 PM 1/12/2005
It's a step by step for D series motors, but it might still be helpful.
EDIT: I'm trying to do this but I don't have timing belt covers as of now. Is there anyway to do it without them? Does the mark on the crank gear and the block (from that B series how-to) apply for D series motors as well?
Modified by 1987CRXSi at 3:03 PM 1/12/2005
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ok i have been messing with my timing belt problem yesterday and today, but somethings wrong. When i lined up everything TDC i was putting the belt on the cam gears and it was very hard to get it on there...even tho the tensioner bolt was loosened. But i eventually got it on there, and i torqued the tensioner bolt back down. But when i spun the crank pulley i noticed that in between the cam gears the belt would go up like it had slack in it. then when i rotated more the slack would, i guess move and the intake side felt normal(1 inch deflection) but the exhaust side had alot of slack..i feel like an idiot for doing this but i started the car and it came on but the idle was CRAZY and when i shut it off after about 3 seconds of idle madness, it sounded different when it shut off. When i looked at the belt after the TDC line on the crank pulley was pointed downwards and the cam gears were facing up. Once again i feel like an idiot screwing up on something like this and im scared shitless that i bent a valve or did something worse. Please restrain from flaming because i already feel like ****. Thanks for everyones help!
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you do know that u need to adjust your tensioner to get rid of the slack in the belt correct??
So set everything to TDC then slap your belt on, adjust your tensioner and see how it runs then.
In case u don't know how i took this from the link i posted previously:
Once the new belt is in place, you will need to retension the tensioner pulley. To do so, place the crank bolt back on the crank and turn the crank counterclockwise three teeth and then tighten the tensioner pulley. The timing belt should have about a 1 inch deflection if you press on it in the center along the front of the loop (long side).
So set everything to TDC then slap your belt on, adjust your tensioner and see how it runs then.
In case u don't know how i took this from the link i posted previously:
Once the new belt is in place, you will need to retension the tensioner pulley. To do so, place the crank bolt back on the crank and turn the crank counterclockwise three teeth and then tighten the tensioner pulley. The timing belt should have about a 1 inch deflection if you press on it in the center along the front of the loop (long side).
im assuming you got it all tdc. what you are suppose to do if rotate the crank like 1/4 turn or something then tighten the tensioner because turning it gets rid of the slack
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